Guest guest Posted November 9, 1999 Report Share Posted November 9, 1999 Dan: >Devendra, if we examine sense perception very carefully, there is no >observer existing outside of the sensory system. ...<snip>... >Observed carefully, the system is always resonating with >itself, and it contructs "time" and "space" so it can construct "objects". >The separation of a "real reality" from a "perceptual reality" is an >ideologically based notion dependent on the concept of an "observer" who >can differentiate "real reality" from "perceived reality" in my opinion. > > > >>Greg: > >>Let me jump in unasked between you and Dan! How do we know what we see is > >not reality? At the beginning, you can learn this two ways. (1) The > >pramana of the scriptures, and the faith that you might have in what they > >say. (2) In the case of perception of the physical world, we have the > >phenomena of perceptual relativity and illusion, which start to open a gap > >in the solid belief that what we are seeing is Really Something Real Out > >There. Dan: >Greg, if I am understanding your language correctly, your observation of >these topics is highly resonant with my own. Greg: Yes it is. You are pointing to the intermix of the various elements of experience, showing how we can't extract a pure subject, a pure object, pure construction, etc. from the mix and say That's It. I was showing how it can be seen from various angles that the supposed object itself isn't so pure in the first place. I hadn't gotten around to talking about the subject or anything else yet :-) And I think that Devendra agrees with these observations so far. Regards, --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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