Guest guest Posted November 15, 1999 Report Share Posted November 15, 1999 Hari Om! I am sending this again because, I didn't see it posted on the archive. I am testing your tolerance! Ram Chandran ====================================================== Tolerance Toward Other Religious View Points Religious tolerance is the best strategy to avoid making mistakes. It is a sign of maturity and not a sign of weakness. Religions just like languages are nothing more than a communication medium. Language is a communication medium between people and Religion is a communication medium between human and God. The existence of many languages and religions illustrate individual human preferences! The question: "Which religion is right?" is similar to asking? : "Which language is right?" The world consists of many religions, languages, people, culture, traditions, beliefs, color, geography, animals, birds, insects, trees, mountains, rivers. We are fortunate to live in a diversified and a challenging world than a monotonous boring world. The self-realization is nothing more than accepting the world as it is and adopts us to this reality. According to Shankara, the world is the creation of the mind, and the mind can create the perfect world by removing the imperfections of the mind. Any expression of intoleran The purpose of Satsang is to awaken the divinity within us and remove prejudice and bias. Our inborn nature is divine and we can witness our true nature by looking at a new born child. The child accepts everything given and looks for human contact at every opportune moment. The mother of the child gets back her inborn divinity and showers the child with infinite love and kindness. Children bring back the forgotten memory and we are able to exhibit enormous generosity, kindness, tolerance and understanding while dealing with our children. We enjoy their speeches and forgive their mistakes and mispronunciations. Birds, animals, flowers and trees who do not have memory exhibit divinity all the time. Nature is God's creation and we are responsible for the creation of intolerance, impatience and misery. We are responsible for our own pitfalls and downfalls. It is time that we regain our memory and divinity. Positive mental attitude is the God given virtue. Negative attitude is human creation. According to Advaita, Self-realization requires abandonment of negative human creations! Tolerance toward other viewpoints is just a favor to our-self. When we accuse others, we are the sufferers and not those who are accused! When we learn to accept other viewpoints, we learn to become happy. Politeness can never hurt us and rudeness will never help us. Rudeness is an expression of the agitated mind and divinity will disappear from our heart and soul. Duality will prevail as long we engage our mind in creating negative attitudes. Momentarily, mind starts the cycle of evaluation between the opposites - good and evil, joys and sorrow, sweet and bitter, love and hate, giving and begging, right and wrong, action and inaction, like and dislike, tolerance and rude, polite and crude, respect and disrespect, clean and dirty, truthful and untruthful, honest and dishonest, moral and immoral, ethical and unethical, etc. When Religious scriptures signify TRUTH in different forms using different formulas. According to Advaita, Truth and the Knower of the Truth are the same. When we agree with this framework there, can be no observations. Observations come from the creative mind and they have no place in Advaitic Philosophy. When we eat an apple, it is a divine experience and tastes, textures, quality, etc. come from human creation. Swami Dayanandaji will call Apple as God's creation (Ishwara Shrishti) and the adjectives to apples (sweet apple, rotten apple, red apple, golden apple, etc.) come from human creation. The goal of Advaita is to learn accept God's creations without adjectives and pluralities. Adi Sankara understood the fallacies of human creations and rightly declared that " all creations are illusions." Conflicts and plurality come from the illusory mind which projects intolerance and rudeness. Peace and serenity disappear when the mind is disturbed . With the absence of illusory mind, serenity and divinity Let me conclude this essay with some important points made by Shankara: According to Shankara, those who read the Scriptures for scholarship and ego (self-promotion) are just wasting their precious time. The story behind Shankara's Bhajagovindham explains this clearly. This well known story describes the circumstances in which this great poem, Bhajagovindham burst forth the lips of Sankara. Once in Banaras when he was going along on his daily rounds, he overheard a very old Pundit cramming Panini's grammer rules. Sankara was touched with pity at the ignorance and folly of the man to be wasting away the most precious 'dusk hours' of his life for a mere intellectual accomplishment instead of spending them in contemplation on the Lord, praying for spiritual enlightenment and for release from the bondage of Samsara. Shankara knew that this was not the state of that particular old man only, but was the general state of most of us. We waste and while away our lives in many (or most) futile ways, grovelling i Hari Om! Ram Chandran Note: My apologies to Jaishankar for using Hari Om and I prefer this due to several reasons: Hari is the symbolic expression of Saguna Brahman; Om represents Nirguna Brahman and Hari Om is an expression of our tolerance toward different philosophical beliefs. For practical reasons, Hari Om sounds like "Hurry Home" to remind me that I should look inside (internal) rather than outside for TRUTH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 Dear Ram Chandran Ji , My heartily Pranams to you. I am very glad to read your views as follows. I am not capable of debating, not even can make questions for my self. But I feel very fortunate to be the r of this wonderful list with so many blessed teachers here. Recently I feel, different sound more of Egos rather than coming from hearts. It does not feel right. As there is a saying even an animal can understand good & bad for them. Even though I lack the strength of discussing I do feel something is not right. I hope soon it will be corrected or guided towards the truth we all are seeking by the Grace of our Lord. I wish to express my view through some verses of Bhagbatam. I have copied the translation only. I hope this will not offend any one. Namaste Raju Chhatry. ***** >From Srimad Bhagbatam; Part 1, Chapter 5. Speech, which, though full of figurative expressions, never utters the praises of Sri Hari- the praises that possess the virtue of sanctifying the whole world-is considered to be the delight of voluptuous men, who wallow in the pleasures of sense like crows that feed upon the dirty leavings of food. Like swans, that are traditionally believed to have their abode in the lotus-beds of the Manasarovara Lake, devotees who have taken shelter in the lotus-feet of the Lord and therefore ever abide in His heart never take delight in such speech. 10. On the other hand, that composition which, though faulty in diction, consists of Verses each os which contains the names of the immortal Lord, bearing the impress of His glory, wipes out the sins of the people; it is such composition that pious men love to hear, sing and repeat to an audience. 11 That wisdom too which is free from blemish and is a direct means to the attainment of liberation does not adorn one's soul so much, if it is devoid of devotion to Lord Acyuta. .........12. The man who desires to talk of anything else than the Lord's exploits falls into the trap of the manifold names and forms, evolved by such desire and sees diversity everywhere. Like a boat beaten by a blast, his unsteady mind finds no rest anywhere. 14. The wise have declared that the abiding purpose of man's austere penance, sacred knowledge, sacrificial performances, recitation of the Vedas with correct intonation, enlightenment and bestowal of gifts is to recount the virtues of that Lord of excellent fame. 22. ****************************************************************************** ********************** I a message dated 11/15/99 11:04:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, chandran writes: > "Ram Chandran" <chandran > Tolerance Toward Other Religious View Points > > Religious tolerance is the best strategy to avoid making mistakes. It is a > sign of maturity and not a sign of weakness. Religions just like languages > are nothing more than a communication medium. Language is a communication > medium between people and Religion is a communication medium between human > and God. The existence of many languages and religions illustrate individual > human preferences! The question: "Which religion is right?" is similar to > asking? : "Which language is right?" The world consists of many religions, > languages, people, culture, traditions, beliefs, color, geography, animals, > birds, insects, trees, mountains, rivers. We are fortunate to live in a > diversified and a challenging world than a monotonous boring world. The self- > realization is nothing more than accepting the world as it is and adopts us > to this reality. According to Shankara, the world is the creation of the > mind, and the mind can create the perfect world by removing the imperfections > of the mind. Any expression of intoleran > The purpose of Satsang is to awaken the divinity within us and remove > prejudice and bias. Our inborn nature is divine and we can witness our true > nature by looking at a new born child. The child accepts everything given > and looks for human contact at every opportune moment. The mother of the > child gets back her inborn divinity and showers the child with infinite love > and kindness. Children bring back the forgotten memory and we are able to > exhibit enormous generosity, kindness, tolerance and understanding while > dealing with our children. We enjoy their speeches and forgive their > mistakes and mispronunciations. Birds, animals, flowers and trees who do not > have memory exhibit divinity all the time. Nature is God's creation and we > are responsible for the creation of intolerance, impatience and misery. We > are responsible for our own pitfalls and downfalls. It is time that we > regain our memory and divinity. > > Positive mental attitude is the God given virtue. Negative attitude is > human creation. According to Advaita, Self-realization requires abandonment > of negative human creations! Tolerance toward other viewpoints is just a > favor to our-self. When we accuse others, we are the sufferers and not those > who are accused! When we learn to accept other viewpoints, we learn to > become happy. Politeness can never hurt us and rudeness will never help us. > Rudeness is an expression of the agitated mind and divinity will disappear > from our heart and soul. Duality will prevail as long we engage our mind in > creating negative attitudes. Momentarily, mind starts the cycle of > evaluation between the opposites - good and evil, joys and sorrow, sweet and > bitter, love and hate, giving and begging, right and wrong, action and > inaction, like and dislike, tolerance and rude, polite and crude, respect and > disrespect, clean and dirty, truthful and untruthful, honest and dishonest, > moral and immoral, ethical and unethical, etc. When > Religious scriptures signify TRUTH in different forms using different > formulas. According to Advaita, Truth and the Knower of the Truth are the > same. When we agree with this framework there, can be no observations. > Observations come from the creative mind and they have no place in Advaitic > Philosophy. When we eat an apple, it is a divine experience and tastes, > textures, quality, etc. come from human creation. Swami Dayanandaji will > call Apple as God's creation (Ishwara Shrishti) and the adjectives to apples > (sweet apple, rotten apple, red apple, golden apple, etc.) come from human > creation. The goal of Advaita is to learn accept God's creations without > adjectives and pluralities. Adi Sankara understood the fallacies of human > creations and rightly declared that " all creations are illusions." > Conflicts and plurality come from the illusory mind which projects > intolerance and rudeness. Peace and serenity disappear when the mind is > disturbed . With the absence of illusory mind, serenity and divinity > Let me conclude this essay with some important points made by Shankara: > According to Shankara, those who read the Scriptures for scholarship and ego ( > self-promotion) are just wasting their precious time. The story behind > Shankara's Bhajagovindham explains this clearly. This well known story > describes the circumstances in which this great poem, Bhajagovindham burst > forth the lips of Sankara. Once in Banaras when he was going along on his > daily rounds, he overheard a very old Pundit cramming Panini's grammer rules. > Sankara was touched with pity at the ignorance and folly of the man to be > wasting away the most precious 'dusk hours' of his life for a mere > intellectual accomplishment instead of spending them in contemplation on the > Lord, praying for spiritual enlightenment and for release from the bondage of > Samsara. Shankara knew that this was not the state of that particular old man > only, but was the general state of most of us. We waste and while away our > lives in many (or most) futile ways, grovelling i > Hari Om! > > Ram Chandran > > Note: My apologies to Jaishankar for using Hari Om and I prefer this due to > several reasons: > Hari is the symbolic expression of Saguna Brahman; Om represents Nirguna > Brahman and Hari Om is an expression of our tolerance toward different > philosophical beliefs. For practical reasons, Hari Om sounds like "Hurry > Home" to remind me that I should look inside (internal) rather than outside > for TRUTH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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