Truth and Thoughts and Bliss

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Have been following these thoughts with interest. I'm

tiptoeing into this forum but would like to perhaps add a

few thoughts here.

 

"4) Awareness-connection with the bliss of the Self is the

ultimate truth and is best reached through the elimination

of thought.

 

I agree with the first part of point 4 and maybe the second part

as well, but I have a positive attitude about the value of thought

to be an avenue into God/Truth/Being, and there are conceptions

of 'thought' which may refer to what accompanies one into this

'stateless state' (but this is a whole other topic or two!)."

Max Harris

 

It seems that as one surrenders "egoic" mind to "divine mind"

allowing instant flow through then one also aligns with the

Heart. This then initiating just the beginning, which would

be a mystic experience, followed by more disciplining of

these faculties and allowing closer alignment to love and light

so, that one begins to progress on the path to "ultimate

Truth" and "Bliss."

 

I would agree whole heartedly that Truth being like a hologram

many perspectives may see parts of Truth, perhaps none

being totally inclusive.

 

Love and Light

Annette van der Zon

[Guest guest]

Dear Annette:

 

Your observation is quite precise and beautiful. Some thoughts work like a

catalyst to drive out other thoughts and will become an avenue into

God/Truth/Being. The shastras (scriptures) suggests Sadhanas (efforts) that can

eventually eliminate all

thoughts. According to Bhakti Yoga Sadhana, the thoughts will focus on the

divinity to remove the selfish desires (thoughts). This implies that the seeker

see God everywhere and expresses love and affection to all creatures of the

world through

unselfish service. All desires are emptied from the heart and are replaced with

the divinity and love for the humanity. When the transformation is complete,

the devotee reaches the stateless state of True Human Nature.

 

According to the Karma Yoga Sadhana, the seeker conducts actions without

analyzing the outcome. When the seeker adopts fully the Karma Yoga Sadhana,

he/she reaches the Stateless State of True Human Nature.

 

Both these Sadhanas stress the importance of acceptance of service to the

humanity without mental friction which produces the thoughts. The Jnana Yoga

Sadhana helps the seeker to arrive to the Karma Yoga Sadhana/ Bhakti Yoga

Sadhana through the

learning process through Satsang, reading books, and guidance from a Guru.

 

None of these Sadhanas are possible without faith on the scriptures, all

learning devices including the Guru. "Faith is to believe what we don't see and

the reward is to see what believe" (St.Augustine). Only with Grace we can

cultivate faith and

without Grace we will continue to question and our thoughts will never end!

 

 

RainboLily wrote:

> RainboLily

>

> Dear All,

>

> I agree with the first part of point 4 and maybe the second part

> as well, but I have a positive attitude about the value of thought

> to be an avenue into God/Truth/Being, and there are conceptions

> of 'thought' which may refer to what accompanies one into this

> 'stateless state' (but this is a whole other topic or two!)."

> Max Harris

>

>

> Love and Light

> Annette van der Zon

[Guest guest]

Hi!

<It seems that as one surrenders "egoic" mind to "divine mind"

allowing instant flow through then one also aligns with the

Heart. This then initiating just the beginning, which would

be a mystic experience, followed by more disciplining of

these faculties and allowing closer alignment to love and light

so, that one begins to progress on the path to "ultimate

Truth" and "Bliss." >

The real question is what is the "egoic" mind versus the "divine" mind?

Although certain descriptors can be given to these concepts, how does

one experience these minds?

-- Vis