Guest guest Posted December 2, 1999 Report Share Posted December 2, 1999 >>Warren: >>Yes, that's a very important point that is often not understood. Zen >> master Huang-Po put it this way: "The arising of illusion and the elimination of illusion are both illusory." Dan: Thanks for passing on this gem, Warren. Anything arising, anything leaving, is the essence of illusion. The "I" thought as something that arises is illusion. If this "I" thought then is seen as investing in control and "having," such subsequent intentions are also illusory. Now the arising of "arising" - is this then also illusory? If so, is all illusion equivalent with Nirvana (or Moksha) - that is, is all illusion itself illusory, hence only Reality itself? This seems to me the meaning of "nirvana is samsara". It seems to me the meaning of the timeless Presence that is absolutely present, beyond any classifications such as "absolute" or "relative". -- Peace -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 1999 Report Share Posted December 2, 1999 >"Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd > > Now the arising of "arising" - is this then also illusory? If so, > is all illusion equivalent with Nirvana (or Moksha) - that is, is > all illusion itself illusory, hence only Reality itself? This seems > to me the meaning of "nirvana is samsara". It seems to me the meaning > of the timeless Presence that is absolutely present, beyond any > classifications such as "absolute" or "relative". To paraphrase an old song: "By George, I think you've got it!!!" ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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