Guest guest Posted December 6, 1999 Report Share Posted December 6, 1999 Hello everyone . Greg Goode wrote: > Greg Goode <goode > > Welcome Colette, > > I welcome your sweetness and insights to this list (Note to listers - I > have the pleasure of knowing Colette from the Nonduality Salon). Thank you > for the quotes. It is so lovely to know that you and some of our other friends are here too Greg :-) > And then, one time, while I was reading a profound > passage from Krishna Menon, it was spontaneously seen that *thought could > NEVER be and never is*. After that, there was no space or gap between the > timelessness of no-thought, and so the insights about its ever-presence > themselves stopped happening. This is a very open sharing in trust here Greg, & I embrace it. Thankyou :-)So you mean resistance was overcome by stabilisation into That?Yet you still express through a personality? Knowing you are Self ? (Not at all your thoughts, or lower self image or masks ,or roles, that were once played? Do not feel you have to answer any of that ~ I am just word spinning to a pal ~ So a powerful teacher for you was Krishna Menon. Thankyou for sharing yourself here. ~*~ Ram Chandran <chandran Shri Anand Natarajan has made some interesting observations and let me add some additional comments. First, Vedas are beyond time (eternal with no beginning and ending) and is always valid. The person with the wisdom can only understand the TRUTH of Vedas without duality Hi again. I want to share something I learnt last December a year ago during a satellite course with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. During the course we were taught that the Vedas are the written form of the primordial sounds of natural law, which reverberate from within the unified field, and which are responsible for every level of creation. We were actually told which particular branches of the Veda relate to which parts of our brains, body, cell structures, & DNA. And which cosmic bodies (planets) also relate to our physiology and qualities in consciousness. I learnt that ... Veda (Total Knowledge) and Vedic Literature (Total Knowledge written), have an exact correspondence in the human physiology (as is the macrocosm so is the microcosm) ... The universe is within us. For example Patanjali's 195 sutras with its 4 chapters (text) correspond to the 4 brain lobes and to the 195 folds of the cerebral cortex. In other words there is an exact correspondence between the written Veda and the very structure of our own bodies. I learnt that the Upanishads correspond to transcendence and to our ascending energy which we experience. And that that the descending energy we experience corresponds to the Brahmanas which has a structuring quality of consciousness into form. Apparently playing the Vedic chants (which perfectly represent the sequential unfolding of different aspects of Atma as vibrational frequencies manifesting the universe as matter) can unblock any area in the physiology that corresponds with that area of the Veda. For example listening to Sama Veda helps to balance and integrate the sensory systems in our physiology as the floodgates to celestial perception are opened wide. It was said that all of us are the perfect divine embodiment .. of .. the Cosmic Administrator of the universe. Just Sharing, Colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 1999 Report Share Posted December 7, 1999 >Colette <colette > >We were actually told which particular branches of the Veda relate to which parts of our brains, body, cell >structures, & DNA. And which cosmic bodies (planets) also relate to our physiology and qualities in >consciousness. >I learnt that ... Veda (Total Knowledge) and Vedic Literature (Total Knowledge written), have an exact >correspondence in the human physiology (as is the macrocosm so is the microcosm) ... The universe is >within us. >For example Patanjali's 195 sutras with its 4 chapters (text) correspond to the 4 brain lobes and to the 195 >folds of the cerebral cortex. In other words there is an exact correspondence between the written Veda and >the very structure of our own >bodies. All very pleasing and tidy notions, aren't they? I'm not sure how literally I would take them, however. Such ideas as these seem to "go with the territory" whenever you have doctrines that claim to be based on "divinely revealed scriptures" (some branches of Judaism have very similar notions about the Torah, for example). Sorry to be a wet blanket. W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 The object of Yoga is go away from "I am the body" consciousness. Patanjali Yoga Sutras deal with control of the mind and its resulting states. The mind is not the brain. The sutras start with the famous statement "Yogaha Chitha Vrithi nirodhaha" . Yoga is the cessation of all mental tendencies. The most significant part of the sutras is the continous reference to this lake of Chitta within us. When this lake is disturbed, the world comes out and we see ourselves in it. When the chitta remains undisturbed it is samadhi. However when all tendencies are destroyed (Mano Nasa) , we remain as we truly are. In none of these practises do we need to know about the anatomy of the brain. So I think the emphasis is on the mind and not the brain. Similarly when the Kundalini yoga talks about Chakras (or centers) in the spine , they are talking of planes of mental existence and not physical locations, though it is true that by concentrating on physical locations in the body , certain mental states are brought out. Anand On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:12:59 Warren E. Donley wrote: >"Warren E. Donley" <wedonley > >>Colette <colette >> >>We were actually told which particular branches of the Veda relate to which >parts of our brains, body, cell >structures, & DNA. And which cosmic bodies >(planets) also relate to our physiology and qualities in >consciousness. >>I learnt that ... Veda (Total Knowledge) and Vedic Literature (Total >Knowledge written), have an exact >correspondence in the human physiology >(as is the macrocosm so is the microcosm) ... The universe is >within us. >>For example Patanjali's 195 sutras with its 4 chapters (text) correspond to >the 4 brain lobes and to the 195 >folds of the cerebral cortex. In other >words there is an exact correspondence between the written Veda and >the >very structure of our own >>bodies. > > >All very pleasing and tidy notions, aren't they? I'm not sure how literally >I would take them, however. Such ideas as these seem to "go with the >territory" whenever you have doctrines that claim to be based on "divinely >revealed scriptures" (some branches of Judaism have very similar notions >about the Torah, for example). > >Sorry to be a wet blanket. > >W > A FREE web-based e-mail service brought to you by the PC World Technology Network. Get your FREE account today at http://www.myworldmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 I had a friend recently ask if there were any groups studying the Bhavagad~Gita. Does anyone know of any to recommend? He is new to this and is very curious. Thanks! Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 Anand Natarajan wrote: > "Anand Natarajan" <anandn > > The object of Yoga is go away from "I am the body" consciousness. Yes Anand I agree. > Patanjali Yoga Sutras deal with control of the mind and its resulting states. The mind is not the brain. > The sutras start with the famous statement "Yogaha Chitha Vrithi nirodhaha" . Yoga is the cessation of all mental tendencies. > The most significant part of the sutras is the continous reference to this lake of Chitta within us. When this lake is disturbed, the world comes out and we see ourselves in it. When the chitta remains undisturbed it is samadhi. However when all tendencies are destroyed (Mano Nasa) , we remain as we truly are. > In none of these practises do we need to know about the anatomy of the brain. Well some of us are wondering if whether we never had a human form at all whether we would even be able to become conscious as Brahman ya know. Also some of us ache in body while our finite form is being rewired to perceive & maintain infinity consciousness. So to help in aligning with the cosmic Self it helps to not deny that we are manifest beings as well as unmanifest. That was the reason why this knowledge is being taught ~ to assist in aligning lower with higher (manifest with unmanifest) with no resistance. Thanks for your contribution, Col > So I think the emphasis is on the mind and not the brain. Similarly when the Kundalini yoga talks about Chakras (or centers) in the spine , they are talking of planes of mental existence and not physical locations, though it is true that by concentrating on physical locations in the body , certain mental states are brought out. > > Anand > > On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:12:59 Warren E. Donley wrote: > >"Warren E. Donley" <wedonley > > > >>Colette <colette > >> > >>We were actually told which particular branches of the Veda relate to which > >parts of our brains, body, cell >structures, & DNA. And which cosmic bodies > >(planets) also relate to our physiology and qualities in >consciousness. > >>I learnt that ... Veda (Total Knowledge) and Vedic Literature (Total > >Knowledge written), have an exact >correspondence in the human physiology > >(as is the macrocosm so is the microcosm) ... The universe is >within us. > >>For example Patanjali's 195 sutras with its 4 chapters (text) correspond to > >the 4 brain lobes and to the 195 >folds of the cerebral cortex. In other > >words there is an exact correspondence between the written Veda and >the > >very structure of our own > >>bodies. > > > > > >All very pleasing and tidy notions, aren't they? I'm not sure how literally > >I would take them, however. Such ideas as these seem to "go with the > >territory" whenever you have doctrines that claim to be based on "divinely > >revealed scriptures" (some branches of Judaism have very similar notions > >about the Torah, for example). > > > >Sorry to be a wet blanket. > > > >W > > > > A FREE web-based e-mail service brought to you by the PC World Technology Network. > Get your FREE account today at http://www.myworldmail.com > > > Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Contact Email Address: advaitins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 I guess that would depend on what form of sadhana you are practising. For example ,the path of self enquiry as taught by Sri Ramana Maharshi does not require any of the"rewiring" you talk of. However if we practise it sincerely, we will reach a point in our inner development where we feel a pull from within taking us to infinity. The ripe souls will submit to that pull and this is samadhi. However for most people , the first experience of loss of individuality is one of great fear and such people (most of us) will need as you point out "rewiring". Anand > >Well some of us are wondering if whether we never had a human form at all whether we would even be able to become conscious as Brahman ya know. > >Also some of us ache in body while our finite form is being rewired to perceive & maintain infinity consciousness. So to help in aligning with the cosmic Self it helps to not deny that we are manifest beings as well as unmanifest. That was the reason why this knowledge is being taught ~ to assist in aligning lower with higher >(manifest with unmanifest) with no resistance. > >Thanks for your contribution, > >Col > A FREE web-based e-mail service brought to you by the PC World Technology Network. Get your FREE account today at http://www.myworldmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 Hi Anand. I guess I am trying to sort it all out myself. Anand Natarajan wrote: > "Anand Natarajan" <anandn > > I guess that would depend on what form of sadhana you are practising. For example ,the path of self enquiry as taught by Sri Ramana Maharshi does not require any of the"rewiring" you talk of. I am referring to the transformation brought about by kundalini to one's brain & nervous system to be able to tolerate Grace. Now that's a pretty powerful energy ~ Grace. > However if we practise it sincerely, we will reach a point in our inner development where we feel a pull from within taking us to infinity. The ripe souls will submit to that pull and this is samadhi. However for most people , the first experience of loss of individuality is one of great fear and such people (most of us) will need as you point out "rewiring". > > Anand I do not understand what is occuring Anand. I am just feeling my way here trying to come to a state of non resistance and no pain that lasts. I guess it is time I fess up that I believe in the spiritualisation of matter through the unmanifest manifesting It's cosmic status on earth through our forms. This may be uncomfortable while aligning both unmanifest & manifest selves. They both are paradoxical. It is not just the human mind which may find it uncomfortable ~ for some the body has it hard too. If anyone has any theories or knowledge about that they can write me personally. I would apreciate it. Regards, Colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 1999 Report Share Posted December 19, 1999 anylupo Orlando 19-12-99 Blessed Self, Om! Om! Om! Salutations! Your query about study group discussions on Bhagaadgeeta for your friend. There are several groups discussing Geeta in America and Canada. If you can inform the place to which your friend can be informed, the address of the Chinmaya Mission can be given. Or he can pick up the address from Chinmaya Website. With Prem and Om, Thy Own Self, Saradapriyananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 1999 Report Share Posted December 19, 1999 Hello, I am also new to this list, and unless Lesley has two friends inquiring about Gita Discussions, then it is I who wish to be informed about a study group. I am an initiate of Pandit Rajmani Tigunait. I am currently viewing the works on this site: http://www.atmapress.com/TOC.html Greetings to all, Anthony Sardaji wrote: > Sardaji > > anylupo > Orlando > > 19-12-99 > > Blessed Self, > Om! Om! Om! > Salutations! > Your query about study group discussions on Bhagaadgeeta for your > friend. There are several groups discussing Geeta in America and Canada. If > you can inform the place to which your friend can be informed, the address of > the Chinmaya Mission can be given. Or he can pick up the address from > Chinmaya Website. > With Prem and Om, > > Thy Own Self, > > Saradapriyananda > > > Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Contact Email Address: advaitins > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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