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I mentioned Dr. Mishra...I met him in 1964, when I was in the 9th grade,

and he had just started Ananda Ashram outside of New York City. He

taught me to meditate and introduced me to Vedanta. I remember Elsie

Becherer of the East-West Bookstore was a very serious meditator and she

thoroughly disapproved of his allowing me to meditate with the adults

because I was too restless, but he always defended me. He had a daughter

about my age, who was in India, and I think I must have reminded him of

her; in any case we developed a very close,

surrogate-father/surrogate-daughter sort of relationship.

 

I was separated from him for a number of years when I was sent off to

boarding school and college, and during that time (70's-80's) I gather he

did give a lot of respect to Rajneesh's teachings. I became a follower

of Meher Baba of Ahmednagar but I was reunited with Dr. Mishra (now Sri

Brahamananda Sarasvati) a few years before his death. I also had a hard

time believing that he really could approve of Rajneesh, but I think it

was his way to see the core of truth and unity in any person or

situation. He had a serious stroke in the 80's which left him

half-paralyzed and his speech very hard to understand without an

interpreter, but he continued to write, travel, teach Sanskrit, give

darshan, and do devotional chanting literally until the very end, in

spite of a failing heart; he was teaching Bhagavad Gita even as he was

having the heart attack that killed him. He never lost his sense of

humor or his enthusiasm. He was a remarkable man, and it is nice to hear

from someone who remembers him when he was well.

 

Zo (Sarada) Newell

 

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Someone mentioned Dr. Ramamurti Mishra as being his/her guru on the Advaitin

list. I was reminded of the time back in the 1970s when I walked into the

East-West Book store in Manhattan and saw Dr. Mishra looking through some

new age books including those of Rajneesh. I said "Hello Dr. Mishra" with a

big smile. Back then I was reading every book of discourses by Rajneesh

(later known as OSHO) that came along. I thought, Dr. Mishra would be quite

critical of Rajneesh as were most orthodox Hindus and Jains (Rajneesh was

born a Jain and had been a professor of Philosophy and lived in Bombay).

 

During the conversation, Dr. Mishra spontaneously started singing very high

praises of Rajneesh and I started laughing. "Are you joking with me Dr.

Mishra?" I asked. "No! No!" He insisted and went on and on about Rajneesh."

I could not help laughing. Dr. Mishra was a good friend of my teacher and

they did several retreats jointly, if my memory serves. Dr. Mishra's book

on pranayama was quite interesting and contained some highly advanced

techniques. He was a great advocate for concentrating on Anahata sounds

(inner sound heard in the ear) to attain Samadhi. Dr. Mishra eventually

became Brahamanda Swami. He had a stroke later on I believe, but could still

sing devotional songs.

 

I spoke to my teacher about Dr. Mishra, Rajneesh, Swami Muktanananda, Swami

Rama, Amrit Desai, Swami Chidananda, and all the "famous" gurus of the day.

He knew most of them personally and had done conferences and retreats with

them. If he wanted to encourage me to listen to someone or read them, he

would say, "Yes, he is a good man." My teacher visited Ramana Maharshi as a

teenager and spoke to me about him. I cannot really pinpoint my connection

with Ramana Maharshi in time. It is like I had always known Him.

 

My teacher has kindness and warmth but let me know in his own way not to be

much impressed with gurus. He had known them (swamis and all) as ordinary

people with all the weaknesses and strength human beings have. "Be

independent and do not rely on any guru", he would say. "What if the guru

goes crazy and nuts, what will you do," he would ask? Then I would laugh

and laugh.

 

 

Harsha

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Hello Harsha-ji. Several times you've mentioned your teacher, but I don't

remember the name...? Who is/was s/he?

 

With love,

 

--Greg

 

Harsha wrote:

>My teacher has kindness and warmth but let me know in his own way not to be

>much impressed with gurus. He had known them (swamis and all) as ordinary

>people with all the weaknesses and strength human beings have. "Be

>independent and do not rely on any guru", he would say. "What if the guru

>goes crazy and nuts, what will you do," he would ask? Then I would laugh

>and laugh.

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Sri Rajneesh was great master of Vedanta but his style was quite different from

the traditional learning process. We shouldn't judge anyone on the basis of

what we hear and see through the media (negative messages from news reporters

with preconceived opinions). He was quite imaginative in telling

illustrative stories to getting the attention of his audience and across. A

sample story is shown below and this story is posted by Dennis White (Rajneesh's

devotee) few years back.

 

Ram Chandran

 

============================================

An emperor was coming out of his palace for his morning walk when he met a

beggar. He asked the beggar, "What do you want?" The beggar laughed and said,

"You are asking as if you can fulfill my desire!" The king was offended. He

said, "Of course I can fulfill your desire. What is it? You just tell me." And

the beggar said, "Think twice before you promise anything." The beggar was no

ordinary beggar, he was the emperor's past-life Master. And he had promised in

that life, "I will come and try to wake you in your next life. This life you

have missed, but I will come again." But the king had forgotten completely--who

remembers past lives? So he insisted, "I will fulfill anything you ask. I am a

very powerful emperor; what can you possibly desire that I cannot give to you?"

The beggar said, "It is a very simple desire. You see this begging bowl? Can you

fill it with something?" The emperor said, "Of course!" He called one of his

viziers and told him, "Fill this man's begging bowl with money." The vizier went

and

The whole palace gathered. By and by the rumor went throughout the capital, and

a huge crowd gathered. The prestige of the emperor was at stake. He said to his

viziers, "If the whole kingdom is lost I am ready to lose it, but I cannot be

defeated by this beggar." Diamonds and pearls and emeralds . . . his treasuries

were becoming empty. That begging bowl seemed to be bottomless. Everything that

was put into it--everything!--immediately disappeared, went out of existence.

Finally it was evening, and people were standing there in utter silence. The

king dropped at the feet of the beggar and admitted his defeat. He said, "Just

tell me one thing. You are victorious--but before you leave, just fulfill my

curiosity. What is this begging bowl made of?" The beggar laughed and said, "It

is made of the human mind. There is no secret . . . it is simply made of human

desire."

 

This understanding transforms life. Go into one desire-what is the mechanism of

it? First there is great excitement, great thrill, adventure. You feel a great

kick. Something is going to happen, you are on the verge of it. And then you

have the car, you have the yacht, you have the house, you have the woman . . .

and suddenly all is meaningless again. What happens? Your mind has

dematerialized it. The car is standing in the drive, but there is no excitement

any more. The excitement was only in getting it . . . you became so drunk with

the desire that you forgot your inner nothingness. Now--the desire fulfilled,

the car in the drive, the woman in your bed, the money in your bank

account--again excitement disappears. Again the emptiness is there, ready to eat

you up. Again you have to create another desire to escape from this yawning

abyss. That's how one goes on moving from one desire to another desire. That's

how one remains a beggar. Your whole life proves it again and again--every

desire frustrates. And whe

The day you understand that desire as such is going to fail comes the turning

point in your life. The other journey is inwards. Move inwards, come back home.

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Greg Goode [goode]

Monday, December 13, 1999 11:58 AM

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Re: Teachers/Gurus

 

Greg Goode <goode

 

Hello Harsha-ji. Several times you've mentioned your teacher, but I don't

remember the name...? Who is/was s/he?

 

With love,

 

--Greg

 

 

Hello Sri Greg Mahatama Ji! The person I have called Gurudev is Sri

Chitrabhanuji. He is a Jain teacher who guided me closely and advised me in

my early twenties and initiated me as Harshadeva. He will be 77 years in

the summer.

 

Love to all

Harsha

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Zo Newell [zonewell]

Monday, December 13, 1999 11:20 AM

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Re: Teachers/Gurus

 

Zo Newell <zonewell

 

I mentioned Dr. Mishra...I met him in 1964, when I was in the 9th grade,

and he had just started Ananda Ashram outside of New York City. He

taught me to meditate and introduced me to Vedanta. I remember Elsie

Becherer of the East-West Bookstore was a very serious meditator and she

thoroughly disapproved of his allowing me to meditate with the adults

because I was too restless, but he always defended me. He had a daughter

about my age, who was in India, and I think I must have reminded him of

her; in any case we developed a very close,

surrogate-father/surrogate-daughter sort of relationship.

 

I was separated from him for a number of years when I was sent off to

boarding school and college, and during that time (70's-80's) I gather he

did give a lot of respect to Rajneesh's teachings. I became a follower

of Meher Baba of Ahmednagar but I was reunited with Dr. Mishra (now Sri

Brahamananda Sarasvati) a few years before his death. I also had a hard

time believing that he really could approve of Rajneesh, but I think it

was his way to see the core of truth and unity in any person or

situation. He had a serious stroke in the 80's which left him

half-paralyzed and his speech very hard to understand without an

interpreter, but he continued to write, travel, teach Sanskrit, give

darshan, and do devotional chanting literally until the very end, in

spite of a failing heart; he was teaching Bhagavad Gita even as he was

having the heart attack that killed him. He never lost his sense of

humor or his enthusiasm. He was a remarkable man, and it is nice to hear

from someone who remembers him when he was well.

 

Zo (Sarada) Newell

 

 

Thanks for sharing Zo. Yes. Dr. Mishra was a very colorful personality and

highly knowledgeable about a variety of yogic paths. Although he was

controversial in his own ways, his knowledge of intricacies of pranayama as

given in his book was impressive. The fact that he was a medical doctor

added credibility to his detailed explanation of Kundalini Shakti in terms

of different centers of the brain and the vagus nerve that he had

identified. His book on pranayama is out of print but probably available

through Amazon. Did you know that (probably in early 1960s?) Dr. Mishra

shared an apartment with the founder of the Hare Krishna movement, who used

to cook very nice vegetarian dishes for him. I always found that humorous.

This came to my mind because in the late 1970s I used to go to the Hare

Krishna temple on Sundays to eat to my heart's content their free meals and

they were really great tasting!

 

Harsha

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Dear Harsha,

 

I am not familiar with a book by Dr. Mishra on pranayama, but I am very

interested!! Is this different from the pranayama material in his

FUNDAMENTALS OF YOGA? What's the title? He had a series of "kundalini"

exercises that involved inhaling and retaining the breath with the arms

in various positions, some of which I remember, but I didn't know they

had been published.

 

I did know he had lived with Swami Prabhupada...in fact I was told that

he sponsored Swamiji to come to the U.S. Ananda Ashram has some really

sweet old home movie footage from the '60's that includes the two of them

eating ice cream cones, I think at the World's Fair. I don't know if you

ever had a chance to taste Doctorji's cooking but he was a great cook

himself, maybe one of the things that brought him and Prabhupada

together.

 

(By the way, is it appropriate on this Listserv to be having sort of

personal reminiscences like this, or would people prefer that

side-conversations be conducted privately? )

 

Nitin, Thanks for your post re: origins of Advaita. I would like to know

more about Gaudapada. This may sound funny but I always thought of

Sankaracarya as being an incarnation of Shiva, so I never even thought

about his having a guru, although why wouldn't he? Where can I get more

information?

 

Zo

 

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I dont think Sri Gaudpapada was the Guru of Sri Shankaracharya. The Guru of

Sri Shankaracharya is Sri Govindacharya whose guru was Sri Gaudapada.

Sri Gaudapada is most famous for his Mandukya Karika, his exposition on the

Mandukya upanishad. Interestingly the Mandukya upanishad(one of the major ten)

has only 13 verses in it. However these 13 are extremely profound. Gaudapada's

explanation is supposed to be an authority on Mandukya Upanishad.

The Guru is one who can full you inwards to your source when all your self

effort has failed. In this sense every person needs a Guru. No one gets Self

Relaization by self effort only. Grace of the Guru is absolutely essential. That

is why the scriptures say The Self , God and Guru are One.

 

Anand

 

>

>Nitin, Thanks for your post re: origins of Advaita. I would like to know

>more about Gaudapada. This may sound funny but I always thought of

>Sankaracarya as being an incarnation of Shiva, so I never even thought

>about his having a guru, although why wouldn't he? Where can I get more

>information?

>

>Zo

>

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