Guest guest Posted December 15, 1999 Report Share Posted December 15, 1999 "When you have a headache you take it for granted that you have a head.Gaudapada would say:'What!You say you have a headache!My friend, you have no head!' He permitted no 'erroneous' expression,none whatsoever.Sankara, on the other hand,would accept your erroneous statement,i.e.,'I have a headache', as a premise,and would then logically prove to you that the premise was wrong.He would say:'I will admit and accept their ravings ,and then show them that they are wrong.Only One exists.Look closer,brother;not two-but One!'So sankara accepts the erroneous statement that the universe exists,and then logically leads us to the acceptance of the Fundamantal Reality. -from 'Yoga for Beginners' by swami.gnaneswarananda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 1999 Report Share Posted December 16, 1999 Hello friends. Devendra Vyas wrote: > "Devendra Vyas" <dev_vyas74 > > "When you have a headache you take it for granted that you have a > head.Gaudapada would say:'What!You say you have a headache!My friend, you > have no head!' He permitted no 'erroneous' expression,none > whatsoever.Sankara, on the other hand,would accept your erroneous > statement,i.e.,'I have a headache', as a premise,and would then logically > prove to you that the premise was wrong.He would say:'I will admit and > accept their ravings ,and then show them that they are wrong.Only One > exists.Look closer,brother;not two-but One!'So sankara accepts the erroneous > statement that the universe exists,and then logically leads us to the > acceptance of the Fundamantal Reality. > -from 'Yoga for Beginners' by > swami.gnaneswarananda. I guess what I want to ask is this ~ What would it be like to have no experiences forever? Or is that no experiencer to experience? Is Witness an experiencer, a Knower? I guess at present I am kind of thinking of It as .. how two .. (meaning one's own form too,) to merge with .. makes the One, Known. I read somewhere that in order to Know Oneness there needs be even just a brief moment of something to merge with. That in order to have One you need two. Otherwise Oneness would never be Known as experiential bliss perhaps. And that this is the new perception .. constant merging in union .. with It All as if merging with One's Self. This makes for tasting differences as one's Self perhaps. I dunno I am just putting it out there for discussion. Bye now, Colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 1999 Report Share Posted December 16, 1999 Colette wrote: I read somewhere that in order to Know Oneness there needs be even just a brief moment of something to merge with. That in order to have One you need two. Hi Colette! What you say makes perfect sense from the yogic perspective. Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 1999 Report Share Posted December 16, 1999 Hi gentle Harsha :-) Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote: > "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar > > Colette wrote: > > I read somewhere that in order to Know Oneness there needs be even just a brief moment of something to merge with. That in order to have One you need two. > > Hi Colette! What you say makes perfect sense from the yogic perspective. > > Harsha Yes a 'something' to unify 'with' I heard. And even one may observe it as one observes oneself. Samhita ~ the three in one process ~ Rishi devata & chandas ~ knower knowing & object of knowing all merge as one. Even One's self is 'the object' of attention ~ observation & union with). Thus conciousness becomes conscious of It Self. Therein lies the delight. So some say. Bye now, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 1999 Report Share Posted December 18, 1999 Hi! Where there is oneness there is everything or nothing, neither of which can be known or understood by the mind or the senses. Where there is two (or more) the logical mind needs to create merging (with time element) for oneness. The oneness is known only by experience and the experience is possible only in the "mind-less" or "non-ego" state. -- Vis Colette wrote: > Colette <colette > > Hello friends. > > Devendra Vyas wrote: > > > "Devendra Vyas" <dev_vyas74 > > > > "When you have a headache you take it for granted that you have a > > head.Gaudapada would say:'What!You say you have a headache!My friend, you > > have no head!' He permitted no 'erroneous' expression,none > > whatsoever.Sankara, on the other hand,would accept your erroneous > > statement,i.e.,'I have a headache', as a premise,and would then logically > > prove to you that the premise was wrong.He would say:'I will admit and > > accept their ravings ,and then show them that they are wrong.Only One > > exists.Look closer,brother;not two-but One!'So sankara accepts the erroneous > > statement that the universe exists,and then logically leads us to the > > acceptance of the Fundamantal Reality. > > -from 'Yoga for Beginners' by > > swami.gnaneswarananda. > > I guess what I want to ask is this ~ > > What would it be like to have no experiences forever? Or is that no experiencer to experience? > Is Witness an experiencer, a Knower? > > I guess at present I am kind of thinking of It as .. how two .. (meaning one's own form too,) to merge with .. makes the One, Known. > > I read somewhere that in order to Know Oneness there needs be even just a brief moment of something to merge with. That in order to have One you need two. > > Otherwise Oneness would never be Known as experiential bliss perhaps. And that this is the new perception .. constant merging in union .. with It All as if merging with One's Self. > This makes for tasting differences as one's Self perhaps. I dunno I am just putting it out there for discussion. > > Bye now, > > Colette > > > Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Contact Email Address: advaitins > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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