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>"Anand Natarajan" <anandn

>

>So in other words whichever deity you are meditating on is really nothing

but your conceptions and your ideals. Is'nt that a limitation and a play of

the ego itself ?

 

 

Sure, but it can be a useful one. Sometimes it takes a thief to catch a

thief. :-)

 

W

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>RainboLily

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>....one cannot be in thought and be in God....

 

You'll still be "in God", but if you're "in thought" you won't realize it.

(Probably this is what you meant :-)

 

W

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Anand asks:

>¤I have this question. I know of one way to practise formless

>mediatation that can lead to a non-dual experience and that is ¤by

>seeking the source of the " I" within (The Ramana method). However most

>advaita schools (Like the Ramakrishna ¤math) would advice to meditate in

>the region of the spiritual heart on a deity and repeat a suitable mantra.

>This is also ¤supposed to lead to non-duality in the long run.

>¤My simple question is will meditation on a deity cause weakness of the

>mind?

 

Jan says:

>If meditation is pleasant, one forgets self; most thoughts are centered

>around "I". If meditation isn't pleasant, it will be very difficult to

>forget self. Meditation on a personal God makes the mind onepointed (only

>thoughts about the deity are present) and if there is surrender and

>devotion, meditation will start to "live a life of its own" and life

>becomes meditation itself. This is far more important than the method used.

 

I agree - meditation on a personal deity will strengthen the mind by

accustoming it to being one-pointed. The mind will become more flexible,

able to be one-pointed about any object before it.

 

In addition, if you choose a deity that resonates with you and that has

meaning, this can be pleasant, and help the mind achieve focus and

concentration. My Chinmaya Mission teacher would recommend Durga, as She

is a rajasic goddess who slays ignorance of our true nature. The teaching

being, that it is that ignorance about our true nature that makes us not

know the truth, so that then we believe a falsehood, namely, that some

aspect of the body/mind/intellect is our true nature.

 

When it is time to meditate without object, you will know, and will feel a

very sweet and subtle pull in that direction, having felt that your

meditation *with* object has gone as far as it can.

 

Regards,

 

--Greg

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Ok. So far so good. I would like to ask one more question. Who is the

personal deity? Whatever conception you have of your personal deity be it

Durga devi, Shiva , Krishna, Budha, Christ ,you impose the restrictions of

your ego on them because they are your thoughts.

So in other words whichever deity you are meditating on is really nothing but

your conceptions and your ideals. Is'nt that a limitation and a play of the

ego itself ?

How do you know the deity without being limited by our mind ?

 

Sincerely,

Anand

 

The only way I know is by energetic experience, which

is not of "thoughts" but of surrender to energetic

flow, one cannot be in thought and be in God.. so

directed meditation, then surrender to meditative

energies, whether sitting or walking, etc., then

seeing, feeling, being..

 

Love and Light,

~ Rainbo ~

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Ok. So far so good. I would like to ask one more question. Who is the personal

deity? Whatever conception you have of your personal deity be it Durga devi,

Shiva , Krishna, Budha, Christ ,you impose the restrictions of your ego on them

because they are your thoughts.

So in other words whichever deity you are meditating on is really nothing but

your conceptions and your ideals. Is'nt that a limitation and a play of the ego

itself ?

How do you know the deity without being limited by our mind ?

 

Sincerely,

Anand

 

 

On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:35:35 Greg Goode wrote:

>Greg Goode <goode

>

>

>Anand asks:

>>$I have this question. I know of one way to practise formless

>>mediatation that can lead to a non-dual experience and that is $by

>>seeking the source of the " I" within (The Ramana method). However most

>>advaita schools (Like the Ramakrishna $math) would advice to meditate in

>>the region of the spiritual heart on a deity and repeat a suitable mantra.

>>This is also $supposed to lead to non-duality in the long run.

>>$My simple question is will meditation on a deity cause weakness of the

>>mind?

>

>Jan says:

>>If meditation is pleasant, one forgets self; most thoughts are centered

>>around "I". If meditation isn't pleasant, it will be very difficult to

>>forget self. Meditation on a personal God makes the mind onepointed (only

>>thoughts about the deity are present) and if there is surrender and

>>devotion, meditation will start to "live a life of its own" and life

>>becomes meditation itself. This is far more important than the method used.

>

>I agree - meditation on a personal deity will strengthen the mind by

>accustoming it to being one-pointed. The mind will become more flexible,

>able to be one-pointed about any object before it.

>

>In addition, if you choose a deity that resonates with you and that has

>meaning, this can be pleasant, and help the mind achieve focus and

>concentration. My Chinmaya Mission teacher would recommend Durga, as She

>is a rajasic goddess who slays ignorance of our true nature. The teaching

>being, that it is that ignorance about our true nature that makes us not

>know the truth, so that then we believe a falsehood, namely, that some

>aspect of the body/mind/intellect is our true nature.

>

>When it is time to meditate without object, you will know, and will feel a

>very sweet and subtle pull in that direction, having felt that your

>meditation *with* object has gone as far as it can.

>

>Regards,

>

>--Greg

>

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/20/1999 5:09:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

wedonley writes:

 

<< ....one cannot be in thought and be in God....

 

You'll still be "in God", but if you're "in thought" you won't realize it.

(Probably this is what you meant :-)

 

W

>>

Yes, true, and in energy, in the flow, thought is aligned :-)

so, still true *g*.

 

Bo

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:-)

 

Warren E. Donley wrote:

> "Warren E. Donley" <wedonley

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> >RainboLily

> >

> >....one cannot be in thought and be in God....

>

> You'll still be "in God", but if you're "in thought" you won't realize it.

> (Probably this is what you meant :-)

>

> W

 

Yes comes a stage after much devoted meditating where the silence is present

simultaneously with thought. But when first starting I was taught meditation is

the transcendence of thought into thesilent still Source (God) as Rainbo my

friend

expressed.) Hi Rainbo :-)

 

Bye now,

 

Love,

 

Colette

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On 12/20/99 at 8:30 AM Anand Natarajan wrote:

 

¤"Anand Natarajan" <anandn

¤

¤

¤Ok. So far so good. I would like to ask one more question. Who is the

personal deity? Whatever conception you have of your personal deity be it

Durga devi, Shiva , Krishna, Budha, Christ ,you impose the restrictions of

your ego on them because they are your thoughts.

¤So in other words whichever deity you are meditating on is really

nothing but your conceptions and your ideals. Is'nt that a limitation and a

play of the ego itself ?

¤How do you know the deity without being limited by our mind ?

¤

¤Sincerely,

¤ Anand

 

Isn't an ego, trying to overcome perceived restrictions of a path, like a

dog chasing its tail? In a path of self-enquiry the same restrictions will

show up: as expectations due to the belief that one path is better than

another, with predictable results when the expectations aren't met soon

enough. Instead of speculating on how the unruly, doubting mind will behave

in various paths, it might be useful to read a biography, for instance of

Ramana; it will show that self-inquiry, surrender and devotion aren't

mutually exclusive. Perceiving limitations, borders and separation is a

typical restriction of the ego....

 

Jan

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