The Over-Soul

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Col asked:

 

I also want to clarify for myself, the difference between a core

amness (I Am That) a differentiated witness, and the constructed

programmed personality.

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Nitin wrote:

 

See how you like this (As much as any such thing can be said in

words).

 

The core Amness is the basic screen of Consciousness upon which

everything appears. It is upstream of all conceptualization. The

differentiated witness is the illusory `me' which is a total

illusion.

 

The constructed programmed personality is the phenomenally real

(anatomical-physiological) body-mind which acts and reacts in

everyday life.

 

The core Amness is the real You (and I), the differentiated witness

is what one *thinks* oneself to be, and the c.p.p. is what carries

on the lila of daily life in the phenomenal reality

 

All the three = the average person.

Remove the (illusion of) the d.w., and you have the sage.

 

Best wishes,

 

Nitin

 

Col:

So you think witness is illusion too? I wonder where soul fits into

all this?

 

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Well, maybe the American Transcendentalist Ralph W. Emerson can

offer an approximate answer:

 

"The Supreme Critic on the errors of the past and the present, and

the only prophet of that which must be, is that great nature in

which we rest, as the earth lies in the soft arms of the

atmosphere; that Unity, that Over-soul, within which every man's

particular being is contained and made one with all other; that

common heart, of which all sincere conversation is the worship, to

which all right action is submission; that overpowering reality

which confutes our tricks and talents, and constrains every one to

pass for what he is, and to speak from his character, and not from

his tongue, and which evermore tends to pass into our thought and

hand, and become wisdom, and virtue, and power, and beauty. We live

in succession, in division, in parts, in particles. Meantime within

man is the soul of the whole; the wise silence; the universal

beauty, to which every part and particle is equally related; the

eternal ONE. And this deep power in which we exist, and whose

beatitude is all accessible to us, is not only self-sufficing and

perfect in every hour, but the act of seeing and the thing seen,

the seer and the spectacle, the subject and the object, are one. We

see the world piece by piece, as the sun, the moon, the animal, the

tree; but the whole, of which these are the shining parts, is the

soul."

 

The above quote is from the third paragraph of his essay entitled

"The Over-Soul."

 

Namaste,

-- Max

 

 

 

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Max Harris wrote:

>

> Well, maybe the American Transcendentalist Ralph W. Emerson can

> offer an approximate answer:

>

> "The Supreme Critic on the errors of the past and the present, and

> the only prophet of that which must be, is that great nature in

> which we rest, as the earth lies in the soft arms of the

> atmosphere; that Unity, that Over-soul, within which every man's

> particular being is contained and made one with all other; that

> common heart, of which all sincere conversation is the worship, to

> which all right action is submission; that overpowering reality

> which confutes our tricks and talents, and constrains every one to

> pass for what he is, and to speak from his character, and not from

> his tongue, and which evermore tends to pass into our thought and

> hand, and become wisdom, and virtue, and power, and beauty. We live

> in succession, in division, in parts, in particles. Meantime within

> man is the soul of the whole; the wise silence; the universal

> beauty, to which every part and particle is equally related; the

> eternal ONE. And this deep power in which we exist, and whose

> beatitude is all accessible to us, is not only self-sufficing and

> perfect in every hour, but the act of seeing and the thing seen,

> the seer and the spectacle, the subject and the object, are one. We

> see the world piece by piece, as the sun, the moon, the animal, the

> tree; but the whole, of which these are the shining parts, is the

> soul."

>

 

simply beautiful!

 

i was just about to post the following, re my friend

Colette's compelling inquiry, before seeing Max's

offering by Emerson. it also raises some additional

relevant points, worthwhile noting.

 

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whether or not the jivatman (by definition, the

reincarnating soul) is ultimately and finally

real or not (i.e. is, as such, permanent or not),

is a matter that can cause considerable confusion

for this forum. in my opinion, to contemplate it

prematurely will tend to forestall the larger and

far more significant matter re the unfoldment of

one's true nature. however, since it's been raised,

the human mind in its tenacity and penchant for

curiosity, won't let it go so easily. so, if it's

explored, it's best to take whatever observations

may develop with a grain of salt, bearing in mind

that--afterall--it's only a matter of satisfying

our relative conception.

 

having said that.......

 

the jiva (ego-Mind) that evolves and finally

transfigures into the jivatman, represents moksha

(Self-realization) and is the fulfillment of the

will of brahman. the essence of the Self is the

operable foundational substance of the jivatman,

simultaneously retaining what is referred to as

a 'burnt rope' individuality within the matrix

of brahman's lila. ('burnt rope' because, like

a rope it appears to have a unique function, yet

it's considered burnt because it has no capacity

to act *on its own, apart* from its source in

paramatman [or brahman].)

 

insofar as the witnessing observer is concerned,

it may be likened to using training wheels on a

bicycle, whereupon when one feels confident enough,

they're happily discarded. and the joy ensues in

experientially participating directly in the drama

of life, where the understanding lives in the Heart,

that the world is a vast wondrous Play and Sport,

in its *entirety* [including its imperfections].

 

however, none of this should be taken to heart!

nothing should be taken to heart. Being itself

is all we need to know and feel. because if we

take anything beyond this to heart, such thing

becomes our thief. the NOW is the Self. It knows

nothing about theories or ideals. theories and

ideals are only strategies for arriving at NOW.

 

OM OM OM

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Greetings. Thanks to all, who have contributed so meaningfully lately.

> Max Harris wrote:

> And this deep power in which we exist, and whose

> > beatitude is all accessible to us, is not only self-sufficing and

> > perfect in every hour, but the act of seeing and the thing seen,

> > the seer and the spectacle, the subject and the object, are one. We

> > see the world piece by piece, as the sun, the moon, the animal, the

> > tree; but the whole, of which these are the shining parts, is the

> > soul."

> >

 

Gosh Max I have to agree with Frank, that is beautiful, & has me hungry for

more.

 

I felt like sharing this ~

 

"G: The soul is everywhere in, through, & around you. It is that which contains

you.

 

Q: Wait a minute .. I was always taught that the body is the container of my

soul ..

 

G: ... The soul is larger than the body. It is not carried within the body, but

carries the body within it ... The soul is that which holds you together - just

as the soul of God is that which contains the universe, & holds it together.

 

Q: But if the soul is in a sense, 'the air in & around us' , & if everyone's

soul is the same, where does one soul end, & another begin? ...

 

G: There is no place where another soul ends & ours begins! Just like there is

no place where the air in the living room stops, & the air in the dining room

starts, It's all the same air. It's all the same soul.

 

Q: ... If there is no place where one soul ends & another begins, does that mean

there is no such thing as an individual soul? ..

 

G: .. yes & no .. Divine dichotomy holds that it is possible for two apparently

contradictory truths to exist simultaneously in the same space ...

 

There is only One Being, & hence, only One Soul. And there are many souls in the

One Being.

 

.... While there is no actual separation between souls, it is true that the stuff

of which the One Soul is made, manifests in physical reality at different

speeds, producing different degrees of density. All of life is vibration.'

>From Conversations with God Bk 3

 

> "f. maiello" <egodust

> insofar as the witnessing observer is concerned,

> it may be likened to using training wheels on a

> bicycle, whereupon when one feels confident enough,

> they're happily discarded.

 

Gosh it was hard enough getting the training wheels!

> and the joy ensues in

> experientially participating directly in the drama

> of life, where the understanding lives in the Heart,

> that the world is a vast wondrous Play and Sport,

> in its *entirety* [including its imperfections].

>

 

That is good encouragement Frank. Thanks.

 

Sincerely,

 

Colette

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namaste to all in ONE!

 

we are the Whole every moment in time.

we are the Self in every moment in time.

we are, in every NOW, the entirety of WHAT IS.

 

why do we ever believe otherwise?

because we *think so*.

 

this habit-formed tendency to *think so*

is specifically what all paths of yoga

are seeking to eliminate or defuse.

in the sense of no longer allowing ourselves

to be manipulated and thus trapped, *as such*,

in/by the spacio-temporal conclusions of our

[*inevitably* relative-bound] thinking process.

 

this is the purpose behind training ourselves

out of the old habit of victim awareness and

into the new habit of witness awareness, via

the 'neti, neti' application to concepts

and precepts, objects and events, thriving

on either side of the fulcrum of ego.

 

however, upon our becoming proficient in

defusing our [riverflow of] thought units,

we then quite automatically release this

impersonal witness modality, abandoning

the barrier of ego, and immersing thus our

awareness subsequently within the [*total*]

spectrum of the All-in-ONE brahman.

 

this is the triumph of Siva, destroying all

that divides differentiates judges and limits.

 

what remains over is the Self in Silence,

forever Changeless in eternal Change.

 

OM nithyakandaleelamounananda!