Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 namaste, " na nirodho na chotpattirna baddho na cha saadhakaH . na mumukshurna vai mukta ityeshhaa paramaarthataa .. " There is no dissolution, no birth, none in bondage, none aspiring for wisdom, no seeker of liberation, and none liberated. This is the absolute truth. Gaudapada's Mandukya-kaarikaa II:32 ..."That which is non-dual (Advaita) can never be said to be born or destroyed....." from Shankara's commentary on the kaarikaa. Regards. ----Original Message Follows---- "f. maiello" <egodust advaitin advaitin tattvamasi Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:20:54 -0500 hariH OM! there are no unenlightening beings in existence, anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being' is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings in existence other than brahman. this is the purport of advaitam. therefore who is there to save, and from what? one of the first things learned in advaita is to hunt down the source of the alleged jiva. and the process [of Self-enquiry] instantly reveals there's in fact no truth or substance to the notion of jiva. one is hence and straight-away given the answer to the entire lifelong dilemma. ironically, the problem is it's too easy a solution. it's a problem because the mind is geared toward grappling with complexity, and [this] discovery proves anticlimactic for it. thus the habit of the complex mind resists. so the advaitin must stick to his guns and disallow the ancient tendency to dwell in the idea of a separative jiva, centered on its attending attributes of ignorance and bondage. yet, the pursuit of the Self exposes one very basic and unavoidable fallacy: IS THERE A REAL ENTITY THAT IS IGNORANT AND BOUND? from this one has no choice but to conclude that only an entity that doesn't exist can be ignorant and bound. ridiculous? yet this is, in effect, what we've been content in believing. since as it's ordinarily left uninvestigated, it doesn't dawn this way. yet, after x numbers of firing the divine weapon on the chimera of jiva, the outcome is inevitable...where here, seeing one's Being goes beyond believing. namaste ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 hariH OM! there are no unenlightening beings in existence, anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being' is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings in existence other than brahman. this is the purport of advaitam. therefore who is there to save, and from what? one of the first things learned in advaita is to hunt down the source of the alleged jiva. and the process [of Self-enquiry] instantly reveals there's in fact no truth or substance to the notion of jiva. one is hence and straight-away given the answer to the entire lifelong dilemma. ironically, the problem is it's too easy a solution. it's a problem because the mind is geared toward grappling with complexity, and [this] discovery proves anticlimactic for it. thus the habit of the complex mind resists. so the advaitin must stick to his guns and disallow the ancient tendency to dwell in the idea of a separative jiva, centered on its attending attributes of ignorance and bondage. yet, the pursuit of the Self exposes one very basic and unavoidable fallacy: IS THERE A REAL ENTITY THAT IS IGNORANT AND BOUND? from this one has no choice but to conclude that only an entity that doesn't exist can be ignorant and bound. ridiculous? yet this is, in effect, what we've been content in believing. since as it's ordinarily left uninvestigated, it doesn't dawn this way. yet, after x numbers of firing the divine weapon on the chimera of jiva, the outcome is inevitable...where here, seeing one's Being goes beyond believing. namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 At 11:20 PM 1/12/00 -0500, f. maiello wrote: >there are no unenlightening beings in existence, >anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being' >is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings >in existence other than brahman. this is the >purport of advaitam. In fact, the word "being" cannot even be plural. Om! --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2000 Report Share Posted February 17, 2000 Namaste, Brahman is the only one that IS. Being is a concept of lack of enlightenment. Unenlightened beings exist in plurality.(Asuryaa naama.....Ye ke cha aatmahano janaah. Eeshaavaasya Upanishad.Mantra #3) Respectful pranams Vijayakumar Greg Goode [goode] Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:01 AM advaitin Re: tattvamasi Greg Goode <goode At 11:20 PM 1/12/00 -0500, f. maiello wrote: >there are no unenlightening beings in existence, >anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being' >is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings >in existence other than brahman. this is the >purport of advaitam. In fact, the word "being" cannot even be plural. Om! --Greg --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! <a href=" http://clickme./ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> ------ Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Contact Email Address: advaitins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2000 Report Share Posted February 17, 2000 At 05:29 PM 02/17/2000 -0500, Jyothi Vijayakumar wrote: >"Jyothi Vijayakumar" <nandini > >Namaste, >Brahman is the only one that IS. >Being is a concept of lack of enlightenment. >Unenlightened beings exist in plurality.(Asuryaa naama.....Ye ke cha >aatmahano janaah. Eeshaavaasya Upanishad.Mantra #3) >Respectful pranams >Vijayakumar Can't speak for frank-ji here, but I do agree with him. If Brahman is the only one that IS, then unenlightened beings are NOT. They seem to BE. And enlightened beings are NOT. They seem to BE. Beings are NOT, though they, too, seem to BE. Not sure, but I think this is what you mean where you say "Unenlightened beings exist in plurality." As for Being, it's a concept, a non-pluralizable, non-qualifying attribute of Brahman. And you wouldn't pluralize "Brahman," would you? Regards, --Greg > >Greg Goode [goode] >Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:01 AM >advaitin >Re: tattvamasi > > >Greg Goode <goode > >At 11:20 PM 1/12/00 -0500, f. maiello wrote: > >>there are no unenlightening beings in existence, >>anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being' >>is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings >>in existence other than brahman. this is the >>purport of advaitam. > >In fact, the word "being" cannot even be plural. > >Om! > >--Greg > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! >Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in >forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme./ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > >------ > >Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy >focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives >are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Contact Email >Address: advaitins > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent >Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards >Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the >credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at ><a href=" http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative1 ">Click Here</a> > >------ > >Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Contact Email Address: advaitins > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2000 Report Share Posted February 19, 2000 Namaste, I agree with you and Shri Frankji a hundred percent. I was only trying to point out that the use of the present continuous verb -"Being" puts a temporality to the nature of the word "BE". When the awareness of "being" is born within the consciousness whose nature is just to BE, or when the concept of duration is wrung out of a sense of the instant,unenlightened existence begins. By the way, I would not "pluralize" Brahman- it happens by itself! (Sah akaamayat. Bahusyaam prajaayeya Iti. Taittiriya Upanishad)-just kidding. Vijayakumar Gregory Goode [goode] Thursday, February 17, 2000 6:04 PM advaitin ; advaitin RE: tattvamasi Gregory Goode <goode At 05:29 PM 02/17/2000 -0500, Jyothi Vijayakumar wrote: >"Jyothi Vijayakumar" <nandini > >Namaste, >Brahman is the only one that IS. >Being is a concept of lack of enlightenment. >Unenlightened beings exist in plurality.(Asuryaa naama.....Ye ke cha >aatmahano janaah. Eeshaavaasya Upanishad.Mantra #3) >Respectful pranams >Vijayakumar Can't speak for frank-ji here, but I do agree with him. If Brahman is the only one that IS, then unenlightened beings are NOT. They seem to BE. And enlightened beings are NOT. They seem to BE. Beings are NOT, though they, too, seem to BE. Not sure, but I think this is what you mean where you say "Unenlightened beings exist in plurality." As for Being, it's a concept, a non-pluralizable, non-qualifying attribute of Brahman. And you wouldn't pluralize "Brahman," would you? Regards, --Greg > >Greg Goode [goode] >Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:01 AM >advaitin >Re: tattvamasi > > >Greg Goode <goode > >At 11:20 PM 1/12/00 -0500, f. maiello wrote: > >>there are no unenlightening beings in existence, >>anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being' >>is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings >>in existence other than brahman. this is the >>purport of advaitam. > >In fact, the word "being" cannot even be plural. > >Om! > >--Greg > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! >Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in >forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme./ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > >------ > >Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy >focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives >are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Contact Email >Address: advaitins > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent >Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards >Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the >credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at ><a href=" http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative1 ">Click Here</a> > >------ > >Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Contact Email Address: advaitins > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. ZERO. Rates as low as 0 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at <a href=" http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative3 ">Click Here</a> ------ Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Contact Email Address: advaitins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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