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namaste,

 

" na nirodho na chotpattirna baddho na cha saadhakaH .

na mumukshurna vai mukta ityeshhaa paramaarthataa .. "

 

There is no dissolution, no birth, none in bondage, none aspiring for

wisdom, no seeker of liberation, and none liberated.

This is the absolute truth.

 

Gaudapada's Mandukya-kaarikaa II:32

 

..."That which is non-dual (Advaita) can never be said to be born or

destroyed....."

from Shankara's commentary on the kaarikaa.

 

Regards.

 

 

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"f. maiello" <egodust

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tattvamasi

Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:20:54 -0500

 

hariH OM!

 

there are no unenlightening beings in existence,

anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being'

is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings

in existence other than brahman. this is the

purport of advaitam.

 

therefore who is there to save, and from what?

 

one of the first things learned in advaita is

to hunt down the source of the alleged jiva.

and the process [of Self-enquiry] instantly

reveals there's in fact no truth or substance

to the notion of jiva. one is hence and

straight-away given the answer to the entire

lifelong dilemma. ironically, the problem is

it's too easy a solution. it's a problem

because the mind is geared toward grappling

with complexity, and [this] discovery proves

anticlimactic for it. thus the habit of the

complex mind resists.

 

so the advaitin must stick to his guns and

disallow the ancient tendency to dwell in the

idea of a separative jiva, centered on its

attending attributes of ignorance and bondage.

 

yet, the pursuit of the Self exposes one very

basic and unavoidable fallacy: IS THERE A REAL

ENTITY THAT IS IGNORANT AND BOUND?

 

from this one has no choice but to conclude that

only an entity that doesn't exist can be ignorant

and bound. ridiculous? yet this is, in effect,

what we've been content in believing. since as

it's ordinarily left uninvestigated, it doesn't

dawn this way. yet, after x numbers of firing

the divine weapon on the chimera of jiva, the

outcome is inevitable...where here, seeing one's

Being goes beyond believing.

 

namaste

 

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hariH OM!

 

there are no unenlightening beings in existence,

anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being'

is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings

in existence other than brahman. this is the

purport of advaitam.

 

therefore who is there to save, and from what?

 

one of the first things learned in advaita is

to hunt down the source of the alleged jiva.

and the process [of Self-enquiry] instantly

reveals there's in fact no truth or substance

to the notion of jiva. one is hence and

straight-away given the answer to the entire

lifelong dilemma. ironically, the problem is

it's too easy a solution. it's a problem

because the mind is geared toward grappling

with complexity, and [this] discovery proves

anticlimactic for it. thus the habit of the

complex mind resists.

 

so the advaitin must stick to his guns and

disallow the ancient tendency to dwell in the

idea of a separative jiva, centered on its

attending attributes of ignorance and bondage.

 

yet, the pursuit of the Self exposes one very

basic and unavoidable fallacy: IS THERE A REAL

ENTITY THAT IS IGNORANT AND BOUND?

 

from this one has no choice but to conclude that

only an entity that doesn't exist can be ignorant

and bound. ridiculous? yet this is, in effect,

what we've been content in believing. since as

it's ordinarily left uninvestigated, it doesn't

dawn this way. yet, after x numbers of firing

the divine weapon on the chimera of jiva, the

outcome is inevitable...where here, seeing one's

Being goes beyond believing.

 

namaste

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At 11:20 PM 1/12/00 -0500, f. maiello wrote:

>there are no unenlightening beings in existence,

>anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being'

>is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings

>in existence other than brahman. this is the

>purport of advaitam.

 

In fact, the word "being" cannot even be plural.

 

Om!

 

--Greg

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Namaste,

Brahman is the only one that IS.

Being is a concept of lack of enlightenment.

Unenlightened beings exist in plurality.(Asuryaa naama.....Ye ke cha

aatmahano janaah. Eeshaavaasya Upanishad.Mantra #3)

Respectful pranams

Vijayakumar

 

 

 

Greg Goode [goode]

Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:01 AM

advaitin

Re: tattvamasi

 

 

Greg Goode <goode

 

At 11:20 PM 1/12/00 -0500, f. maiello wrote:

>there are no unenlightening beings in existence,

>anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being'

>is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings

>in existence other than brahman. this is the

>purport of advaitam.

 

In fact, the word "being" cannot even be plural.

 

Om!

 

--Greg

 

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At 05:29 PM 02/17/2000 -0500, Jyothi Vijayakumar wrote:

>"Jyothi Vijayakumar" <nandini

>

>Namaste,

>Brahman is the only one that IS.

>Being is a concept of lack of enlightenment.

>Unenlightened beings exist in plurality.(Asuryaa naama.....Ye ke cha

>aatmahano janaah. Eeshaavaasya Upanishad.Mantra #3)

>Respectful pranams

>Vijayakumar

 

Can't speak for frank-ji here, but I do agree with him. If Brahman is the

only one that IS, then unenlightened beings are NOT. They seem to BE. And

enlightened beings are NOT. They seem to BE. Beings are NOT, though they,

too, seem to BE. Not sure, but I think this is what you mean where you say

"Unenlightened beings exist in plurality." As for Being, it's a concept, a

non-pluralizable, non-qualifying attribute of Brahman. And you wouldn't

pluralize "Brahman," would you?

 

Regards,

 

--Greg

>

>Greg Goode [goode]

>Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:01 AM

>advaitin

>Re: tattvamasi

>

>

>Greg Goode <goode

>

>At 11:20 PM 1/12/00 -0500, f. maiello wrote:

>

>>there are no unenlightening beings in existence,

>>anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being'

>>is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings

>>in existence other than brahman. this is the

>>purport of advaitam.

>

>In fact, the word "being" cannot even be plural.

>

>Om!

>

>--Greg

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Namaste,

I agree with you and Shri Frankji a hundred percent. I was only trying to

point out that the use of the present continuous verb -"Being" puts a

temporality to the nature of the word "BE".

When the awareness of "being" is born within the consciousness whose nature

is just to BE, or when the concept of duration is wrung out of a sense of

the instant,unenlightened existence begins.

By the way, I would not "pluralize" Brahman- it happens by itself! (Sah

akaamayat. Bahusyaam prajaayeya Iti. Taittiriya Upanishad)-just kidding.

Vijayakumar

 

Gregory Goode [goode]

Thursday, February 17, 2000 6:04 PM

advaitin ; advaitin

RE: tattvamasi

 

 

Gregory Goode <goode

 

At 05:29 PM 02/17/2000 -0500, Jyothi Vijayakumar wrote:

>"Jyothi Vijayakumar" <nandini

>

>Namaste,

>Brahman is the only one that IS.

>Being is a concept of lack of enlightenment.

>Unenlightened beings exist in plurality.(Asuryaa naama.....Ye ke cha

>aatmahano janaah. Eeshaavaasya Upanishad.Mantra #3)

>Respectful pranams

>Vijayakumar

 

Can't speak for frank-ji here, but I do agree with him. If Brahman is the

only one that IS, then unenlightened beings are NOT. They seem to BE. And

enlightened beings are NOT. They seem to BE. Beings are NOT, though they,

too, seem to BE. Not sure, but I think this is what you mean where you say

"Unenlightened beings exist in plurality." As for Being, it's a concept, a

non-pluralizable, non-qualifying attribute of Brahman. And you wouldn't

pluralize "Brahman," would you?

 

Regards,

 

--Greg

>

>Greg Goode [goode]

>Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:01 AM

>advaitin

>Re: tattvamasi

>

>

>Greg Goode <goode

>

>At 11:20 PM 1/12/00 -0500, f. maiello wrote:

>

>>there are no unenlightening beings in existence,

>>anywhere, anytime. the term 'unenlightened being'

>>is itself oxymoronic, since there are no beings

>>in existence other than brahman. this is the

>>purport of advaitam.

>

>In fact, the word "being" cannot even be plural.

>

>Om!

>

>--Greg

>

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