FW: An Effort to Understand the Difference between the Cognition of

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I WOULD LOVE TO READ AND KNOW WHAT IS REAL AND UNREAL .

THANKS BILL FOX

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At 08:33 PM 02/27/2000 EST, you wrote:

>BOOKDET

>

>I WOULD LOVE TO READ AND KNOW WHAT IS REAL AND UNREAL

.

> THANKS BILL FOX

 

If "you" are there as the "experiencer," it's all unreal. Things

are as they are. Reality (with a capital "R") is that which persists

unchanged in all states...waking, sleeping and dreaming.

 

Silence is the best answer.

 

 

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Chuck Hillig

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for asking. This is the right time for all of us to put the same

question. Incidentally, your question is addressed "just a few mails ago"

:-)... by Sri Sadananda in his lecture "The logic of spirituality" -

forwarded by Prof. VK.

 

Sharing my thoughts with you on this subject:

 

In my opinion, reality is subjective. My experience is my reality. I can't

think of something as real --- as long as I don't experience it. For

example, I was involved in an accident when I was 10 years old. I still

remember the pain which I experienced. No matter how ever hard I try to

explain to you, you can only share my pain --- BUT you can not experience

it. Because my pain is my reality, it is my subjective experience.

 

The world is real, as long as you keep experiencing it. Same way, dream is

real so long you keep experiencing it. Once you come out of the dream,

though the dream is no more there, the feeling of experience remains even in

the waking state! The world ceases to exist, when ever *you* the "physical

world experiencer" ceases to exist. Like the dream experience remains with

you even after you come out of the dream, your worldly experience remains

with you even after you leave your physical body --- this is called as

"vAsana" in vedanta. The experiencing individual (called as Jiva) keeps

accumulating these experiences and keep changing the bodies, like he keeps

changing his dreams. Every night there is a different dream experience,

every birth there is a different worldly experience. This conveys, leaving

the physical body does not necessarily mean you cease experiencing the

world. Hence the physical body is not real and the worldly experience we

get through living in the physical body should also be not real!

 

Actually, you have to remove the experience from the experiencer --- the

thing that remains is nothing but consciousness. The consciousness in me,

in you and in everybody is the same though our experiences differ! At

least, logically consciousness should be real because it has a "tatastha

lakshna" (everybody appears *alive* though they act different). But there

is some thing beyond this logic which can't be cognized. That is real,

every thing else is not real. What ever you experience is not real, but

*you* are real. Like the famous gita saying goes: "nAsatE vidyatE bhAvO

nAbhAvO vidyatE sataH"

 

*I* remain yours,

Madhava

 

 

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<BOOKDET

<advaitin >

Sunday, February 27, 2000 5:33 PM

FW: An Effort to Understand the Difference between the

Cognition of

 

> BOOKDET

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> I WOULD LOVE TO READ AND KNOW WHAT IS REAL AND UNREAL

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> THANKS BILL FOX

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