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Greetings:

 

The question what does it mean to be egoless is quite a challenge to the ego.

When we identify the SELF (The Brahman) with the trinity of body, mind, and

intellect, our ego emerges. Egoless refers to the "I am" the liberated state of

the soul (liberated from the paradigm of body, mind and intellect.

 

Let me try to illustrate with an example. The same gold can appear in different

forms - necklace, bangle, earring, etc. Brahman, the gold takes the form of

different human beings and appear as Ram, Shyam, David, etc. Just like the

necklace, bangle and earring Ram, Shyam and David have distinct identities of

names, forms and functions. Brahman represents the unique identity beneath

surface of Ram, Shayam and David and that can be realized with the disappearance

of distinct identity (Ego). In the case of gold, we can get the egoless state by

melting the necklace, bangle and earring. Shanakara's Advaita claims that the

individual souls can melt down their ego and can realize Brahman. Though in

appearance and our subjective perceptions of our experiences, we may look

different but fundamentally, we are the Brahman.

 

We can call Brahman by any name we like, God, Abraham, Jesus, Allah, Buddha,

Krishna, Shiva, Shakti, Father, Mother, Brother, Friend and even Foe. These

names and forms indicate the level of ignorance (or wisdom) and the ultimate

reality is beyond name and form.

 

regards,

 

Ram Chandran

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God is Brahman

God is Abraham

Brahman is Abraham

 

The question is how do you separate the above? :-)

 

-

Chuck Hillig <chillig

<advaitin >

Sunday, February 27, 2000 6:29 PM

Re: The Physics of Realization

 

> Chuck Hillig <chillig

>

> At 08:18 PM 02/27/2000 EST, you wrote:

> >BOOKDET

>

>

> >IS BRAHMAN GOD ? WHAT IS GOD? IS BRAHMAN ABRAHAM ?

>

> Brahman is Brahman.

> God is God.

> Abraham is Abraham.

>

> The more important question is "Who are YOU?"

>

>

> >WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE EGOLESS?

>

> Exactly "who" would it be meaning anything to?

>

>

> >THANKS BILL FOX

>

>

> You're welcome.

>

With Blessings,

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Greetings Patrick:

 

Your understanding of ego - "As I see it, being egoless is nothing more than

`not taking one's "I"

literally' (as the BG puts it somewhere) while continuing to use first person

speech just like everybody else" is flawless! I enjoyed your previous posting

('Arjuna is not morally defective')and I am left with no option other than to

agree with your compelling argument in favor of Arjuna!

 

regards,

 

Ram

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Namaste,

 

Adi Shankara is said to have composed the dashashlokii [10 verses]

when he went to Govindapada seeking intiation, and was asked "Who are you?"

 

The refrain is: "tadeko.avashishhTaH shivaH kevalo.aham.h ."

 

Regards,

 

s.

 

 

 

>"Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava

>advaitin

>advaitin

>RE: The Physics of Realization

>Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:46:20 +0300

>

>"Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava

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When i was new to spirituality i was unable to understand how can Shree

Krishna explain Bhagvad Gitaa to Arjuna without ego. Ram u explained it

beautifully.

 

But as i progressed further on the path i got the glimpse of Shree

Krishna's egoless state of existence.

 

On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Ram Chandran wrote:

> "Ram Chandran" <chandran

>

> Greetings:

>

> The question what does it mean to be egoless is quite a challenge to the ego.

When we identify the SELF (The Brahman) with the trinity of body, mind, and

intellect, our ego emerges. Egoless refers to the "I am" the liberated state

of the soul (liberated from the paradigm of body, mind and intellect.

>

> Let me try to illustrate with an example. The same gold can appear in

different forms - necklace, bangle, earring, etc. Brahman, the gold takes the

form of different human beings and appear as Ram, Shyam, David, etc. Just

like the necklace, bangle and earring Ram, Shyam and David have distinct

identities of names, forms and functions. Brahman represents the unique

identity beneath surface of Ram, Shayam and David and that can be realized

with the disappearance of distinct identity (Ego). In the case of gold, we can

get the egoless state by melting the necklace, bangle and earring. Shanakara's

Advaita claims that the individual souls can melt down their ego and can

realize Brahman. Though in appearance and our subjective perceptions of our

experiences, we may look different but fundamentally, we are the Brahman.

>

> We can call Brahman by any name we like, God, Abraham, Jesus, Allah, Buddha,

Krishna, Shiva, Shakti, Father, Mother, Brother, Friend and even Foe. These

names and forms indicate the level of ignorance (or wisdom) and the ultimate

reality is beyond name and form.

>

> regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

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How can we talk about "Abraham" when we don't know for sure what Brahma is

 

 

On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Madhava K Turumella wrote:

> "Madhava K Turumella" <madhava

>

> God is Brahman

> God is Abraham

> Brahman is Abraham

>

> The question is how do you separate the above? :-)

>

> -

> Chuck Hillig <chillig

> <advaitin >

> Sunday, February 27, 2000 6:29 PM

> Re: The Physics of Realization

>

>

> > Chuck Hillig <chillig

> >

> > At 08:18 PM 02/27/2000 EST, you wrote:

> > >BOOKDET

> >

> >

> > >IS BRAHMAN GOD ? WHAT IS GOD? IS BRAHMAN ABRAHAM ?

> >

> > Brahman is Brahman.

> > God is God.

> > Abraham is Abraham.

> >

> > The more important question is "Who are YOU?"

> >

> >

> > >WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE EGOLESS?

> >

> > Exactly "who" would it be meaning anything to?

> >

> >

> > >THANKS BILL FOX

> >

> >

> > You're welcome.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > With Blessings,

> > Chuck Hillig

> >

> > Author of: "ENLIGHTENMENT FOR BEGINNERS"

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Anurag is an assumed name, Madhava is an assumed name, John is an assumed

name, Tom is an assumed name, Abraham is an assumed name... Behind all these

names and forms there is an evident life force... THAT is Brahman and you

are that. :-)

 

One needs to keep constantly remembering his true self as Brahman. Lord

Hanuman is the finest example for such continuous contemplation. When Sri

Hanuman approaches Lord Rama for the first time, Rama questions him "who are

you?". For that questions Hanuman replies "They call me as Hanuman", he did

not say that "I am Hanuma" he said "They call me Hanuman".

 

I am named as Madhava on the 16th day after my birth. But before they named

me, what was my name! I am a nameless one, in order to identify me they

gave a name... :-)

 

 

>

> anurag

> [anurag]

> Tuesday, February 29, 2000 4:44 AM

> advaitin

> Re: The Physics of Realization

>

>

> <anurag

>

>

>

> How can we talk about "Abraham" when we don't know for sure

> what Brahma is

>

>

> On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Madhava K Turumella wrote:

>

> > "Madhava K Turumella" <madhava

> >

> > God is Brahman

> > God is Abraham

> > Brahman is Abraham

> >

> > The question is how do you separate the above? :-)

> >

> > -

> > Chuck Hillig <chillig

> > <advaitin >

> > Sunday, February 27, 2000 6:29 PM

> > Re: The Physics of Realization

> >

> >

> > > Chuck Hillig <chillig

> > >

> > > At 08:18 PM 02/27/2000 EST, you wrote:

> > > >BOOKDET

> > >

> > >

> > > >IS BRAHMAN GOD ? WHAT IS GOD? IS BRAHMAN

> ABRAHAM ?

> > >

> > > Brahman is Brahman.

> > > God is God.

> > > Abraham is Abraham.

> > >

> > > The more important question is "Who are YOU?"

> > >

> > >

> > > >WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE EGOLESS?

> > >

> > > Exactly "who" would it be meaning anything to?

> > >

> > >

> > > >THANKS BILL FOX

> > >

> > >

> > > You're welcome.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With Blessings,

> > > Chuck Hillig

> > >

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At 03:46 PM 2/29/00 +0300, Madhava K. Turumella wrote:

>One needs to keep constantly remembering his true self as Brahman. Lord

>Hanuman is the finest example for such continuous contemplation. When Sri

>Hanuman approaches Lord Rama for the first time, Rama questions him "who are

>you?". For that questions Hanuman replies "They call me as Hanuman", he did

>not say that "I am Hanuma" he said "They call me Hanuman".

 

Nice example of Hanuman!!

>I am named as Madhava on the 16th day after my birth. But before they named

>me, what was my name! I am a nameless one, in order to identify me they

>gave a name... :-)

 

That's right. If you really WEREN'T nameless, they wouldn't have had to

give you a name -- you would have been born or conceived with one!

 

Regards,

 

--Greg

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Greg Goode [goode]

 

 

That's right. If you really WEREN'T nameless, they wouldn't have had to

give you a name -- you would have been born or conceived with one!

 

Regards,

 

--Greg

 

 

Sri Greg Mahatamaji! Namaste and Pranams!

You are a breathtaking blessing to humanity

and a wonderful antidote for the lazy people who seek to avoid double

negatives.

 

Thank you for keeping the flame burning bright!

With love

Harsha

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At 10:09 AM 2/29/00 -0500, Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

>Sri Greg Mahatamaji! Namaste and Pranams!

>You are a breathtaking blessing to humanity

>and a wonderful antidote for the lazy people who seek to avoid double

>negatives.

 

Thanks Sri Harsha-deva-ji! I ain't got nothing against double negatives!

 

Om!

 

--Greg

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At 06:23 PM 02/29/2000 EST, you wrote:

>BOOKDET

>

>THAN IF YOU ARE NO ONE WHERE IS PAIN FELT . THANKS

BILL

> FOX

>

 

Dear Bill,

 

Dream pain is still painful.....for the Dreamer. In other words,

just because it's all an illusion, it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt.

 

So, at the Dream level, you can say that the pain is "real." What's

NOT real, however, is the "one" who thinks that he is experiencing it.

 

The body feels the pain.....not "you." You are Pure Consciousness.

 

 

With Blessings,

Chuck Hillig

 

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On 2/29/00 at 4:15 PM Chuck Hillig wrote:

 

¤

¤At 06:23 PM 02/29/2000 EST, you wrote:

¤>BOOKDET

¤>

¤>THAN IF YOU ARE NO ONE WHERE IS PAIN

FELT . THANKS

¤BILL

¤> FOX

¤>

¤

¤Dear Bill,

¤

¤ Dream pain is still painful.....for the Dreamer. In

other words,

¤just because it's all an illusion, it doesn't mean that it

doesn't hurt.

¤

¤ So, at the Dream level, you can say that the pain is

"real." What's

¤NOT real, however, is the "one" who thinks that he is

experiencing it.

¤

¤ The body feels the pain.....not "you." You are Pure

Consciousness.

¤

¤

¤With Blessings,

¤ Chuck Hillig

 

So the body is "the other" and not consciousness? That would

mean a duality is existing between "feeling body" and

consciousness :) The body itself is insentient and its

responses could be called the result of identifications - the

vast majority can be removed. When this happens, not only is

pain no longer felt but the physical reaction of the body, on

for instance burning, will be absent. The analogy, that there

is only the one spider, drawing a wire out of herself that

starts infinitely thin, a wire made of a "substance" from

which every appearance (even other spiders) seemingly can be

made but yet is one and the same "substance" that eventually

will be drawn into the one spider again.

 

hope this helps :)

 

Jan

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Namaste Sunder-ji

 

In there any website that has the full 10 verses of the dashashlokii and the

translation as well? A million thanks.

>

> Sunder Hattangadi [sMTP:sunderh]

> Tuesday, February 29, 2000 9:22 PM

> advaitin

> RE: The Physics of Realization

>

> "Sunder Hattangadi" <sunderh

>

> Namaste,

>

> Adi Shankara is said to have composed the dashashlokii [10 verses]

> when he went to Govindapada seeking intiation, and was asked "Who are

> you?"

>

> The refrain is: "tadeko.avashishhTaH shivaH kevalo.aham.h ."

>

> Regards,

>

> s.

>

>

>

>

> >"Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava

> >advaitin

> >advaitin

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> >Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:46:20 +0300

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