Guest guest Posted March 1, 2000 Report Share Posted March 1, 2000 Greetings Harsha You wrote: > I love what you are saying Patrick! > When the ego disappears, no one remains to care what is being replaced with > what. in response to my statement that > That is, ethics emerged with the ego (and I'm > inclined to suspect that it will > disappear with the ego as well but it's > anybody's guess what will replace it). I think I should explain that your gleeful nihilism is not exactly what I had in mind here Harsha! My guess is that it is the lot of all sentient beings everywhere in the universe to fall into the pit of themselves as soon as they become sufficiently self-conscious. According to Jaynes this happened to us about 3000 years ago. Within a few hundred years some intrepid explorers (the rishis of the Upanishads) had already found the way out so my guess is that within a reasonable period of time, say another few thousand years, we will have an 'egoless society'. Jaynes proposes a model for *pre-conscious* egoless societies which obviously can't work for *post-conscious* egoless societies so 'it's anybody's guess' how such societies could function but I think that the key cannot ethics as we understand it since this seems to be based on the illusion that we are autonomous doers. The reason I think this question is worth thinking about and not just idle speculation is that it is all too easy to get spirituality and ethics confused with each other (since religion claims both of them as its province). That was also the gist of my recent post protesting against the tendency to regard Arjuna as morally deficient. Reagrds Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2000 Report Share Posted March 1, 2000 Namste Patrickji, You seem to have the dream of every Utopian. If you have time and society ,the ghost of the ego still remains. Srimad Bhagavad Gita says, "Na jayayate Mriyathe va Kadaachith, Naayam Bhuthva Bhavitha Vaana Bhuyaha. Ajo Nithyaha Shashvathoyam Puraano Na Hanyathe Hanyamane Sharire" Chapter 2. " No birth or death takes place ever. No present , past or future, This is Unborn constant , eternal and ancient. This is not Killed , only that which decays is killed". Anand On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:54:49 Patrick Kenny wrote: > my guess is >that within a reasonable period of time, >say another few thousand years, >we will have an 'egoless society'. A FREE web-based e-mail service brought to you by the PC World Technology Network. Get your FREE account today at http://www.myworldmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2000 Report Share Posted March 1, 2000 namaste, There is a well-known 'abhanga'(hymn) by Saint Tukaram [1608-1650A.D.] in which he describes the actions of various characters who cannot give up their habits even after fortune changes their status! Similarly, one who has assiduously gained the privilge of knowing the Self, has already practised ethics and morals to such a degree, that not only those habits persist, but in fact those habits become a model for the rest of humanity! Regards, sunder >rajuateam >advaitin >advaitin > Re: Ego and Ethics >Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:35:28 EST > > A question has been raised in this forum regarding the role of ethical ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2000 Report Share Posted March 1, 2000 A question has been raised in this forum regarding the role of ethical values when there is no ego. This question need not be a troubling one if we recognize that the egolessness is in fact the greatest ethical value. When one has truly stopped separating one 's identity from the rest of the creation- which is what egolessness means- how can that one engage in an immoral act? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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