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Greetings Harsha

 

You wrote:

> I love what you are saying Patrick!

> When the ego disappears, no one remains to care what is being replaced with

> what.

 

in response to my statement that

> That is, ethics emerged with the ego (and I'm

> inclined to suspect that it will

> disappear with the ego as well but it's

> anybody's guess what will replace it).

 

I think I should explain that your

gleeful nihilism is not exactly what I

had in mind here Harsha!

 

My guess is that it is the lot of all

sentient beings everywhere in the

universe to fall into the pit

of themselves as soon as they become

sufficiently self-conscious. According

to Jaynes this happened to us

about 3000 years ago. Within a few

hundred years some intrepid explorers

(the rishis of the Upanishads) had

already found the way out so my guess is

that within a reasonable period of time,

say another few thousand years,

we will have an 'egoless society'.

Jaynes proposes a model for

*pre-conscious* egoless societies which

obviously

can't work for *post-conscious* egoless

societies so 'it's anybody's guess' how

such societies could function but I

think that the key cannot ethics as we

understand it since this seems to be

based on the illusion that we are

autonomous doers.

 

The reason I think this question is

worth thinking about and not just idle

speculation is that it is all too easy

to get spirituality and ethics confused

with each other (since religion claims

both of them as its province). That was

also the gist of my recent post

protesting against the tendency to

regard Arjuna as morally deficient.

 

 

Reagrds

 

Patrick

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Namste Patrickji,

 

You seem to have the dream of every Utopian.

If you have time and society ,the ghost of the ego still remains.

 

Srimad Bhagavad Gita says,

"Na jayayate Mriyathe va Kadaachith,

Naayam Bhuthva Bhavitha Vaana Bhuyaha.

Ajo Nithyaha Shashvathoyam Puraano

Na Hanyathe Hanyamane Sharire"

Chapter 2.

 

" No birth or death takes place ever.

No present , past or future,

This is Unborn constant , eternal and ancient.

This is not Killed , only that which decays is killed".

 

Anand

 

 

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:54:49 Patrick Kenny wrote:

> my guess is

>that within a reasonable period of time,

>say another few thousand years,

>we will have an 'egoless society'.

 

 

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namaste,

 

There is a well-known 'abhanga'(hymn) by Saint Tukaram [1608-1650A.D.]

in which he describes the actions of various characters

who cannot give up their habits even after fortune changes their status!

Similarly, one who has assiduously gained the privilge of knowing the Self,

has already practised ethics and morals to such a degree, that not only

those habits persist, but in fact those habits become a model for the rest

of humanity!

 

Regards,

 

sunder

 

 

 

>rajuateam

>advaitin

>advaitin

> Re: Ego and Ethics

>Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:35:28 EST

>

> A question has been raised in this forum regarding the role of ethical

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A question has been raised in this forum regarding the role of ethical

values when there is no ego. This question need not be a troubling one if we

recognize that the egolessness is in fact the greatest ethical value. When

one has truly stopped separating one 's identity from the rest of the

creation- which is what egolessness means- how can that one engage in an

immoral act?

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