Guest guest Posted March 2, 2000 Report Share Posted March 2, 2000 it is not independent spirtuality god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2000 Report Share Posted April 1, 2000 Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda <snip> >The greatest challenge science >faces is trying to come to grips with ideas of quantum mechanics. Quantum >mechanics is the very basis of all of modern science. <snip> If that is true, and I'm not questioning it, then the second greatest challenge that science faces is understanding the nature of consciousness and subjectivity. Objectivity, which can also be thought of as leaving _out_ the observer, is a cornerstone of the scientific method itself, so the very foundation of science stands as an impediment to the investigation of this area that is certainly of supreme human importance. After all, consciousness is the only thing to which any of us has direct, unmediated access; it is the basis from which everything else is observed. Is it not ironic that this fundamental aspect of human knowledge and existence should be the one that is either neglected, or in some cases outright denied by science? If science ever overcomes this stage of denial and refusal to examine the basic assumptions that form its own foundation, then some blending of science and spirituality could come into view. Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2000 Report Share Posted April 1, 2000 --- Parisi & Watson <niche wrote: > [...] then > the second greatest > challenge that science faces is understanding the > nature of consciousness > and subjectivity. Objectivity, which can also be > thought of as leaving _out_ > the observer, is a cornerstone of the scientific > method itself, so the very > foundation of science stands as an impediment to the > investigation of this > area that is certainly of supreme human importance. > After all, consciousness > is the only thing to which any of us has direct, > unmediated access; it is > the basis from which everything else is observed. Is > it not ironic that this > fundamental aspect of human knowledge and existence > should be the one that > is either neglected, or in some cases outright > denied by science? If science > ever overcomes this stage of denial and refusal to > examine the basic > assumptions that form its own foundation, then some > blending of science and > spirituality could come into view. hariH OM! robert- your "observation re the matter of the observer" :-) is identical to the point i raised in an essay on qm and its relationship to metaphysics. see: http://digital.net/~egodust/fmpageq.html namaste, frank Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2000 Report Share Posted April 1, 2000 Om, If what you mean by science is the investigation into the physical reasons behind observed phenomena , then science and spirituality will agree somewhere. However if the question is behind the reasons for existence , life and death themselves , then science has no clue. Science relies only on the intellect of man which is a very poor tool for evaluating the universe. If real life giving answers are required, look to the inner spirit and not to science. Anand >Response from Jay > >Swami Vivekananda had said something like:- >At some stage science and spirituality have to meet. >They cannot continue to exist independently of each other. There has to be >a link, else we will have two exclusive disciplines - that state of affairs >cannot be maintained - there has to be a link even if it is purely >anthropomorphic (us). > >What we are finding out with the present Science is this meeting of diverse >disciplines. The Scientist is true to his subject and will not tolerate >'spirituality' into his realm. That is fine. He continues to develop his >subject under strict scientific disciplines. The greatest challenge science >faces is trying to come to grips with ideas of quantum mechanics. Quantum >mechanics is the very basis of all of modern science. QM - forms the basis >of explaining say the DNA molecule, the computer chip, all elementary >particle behaviour, nuclear physics etc. QM permeates all aspects of modern >science. The atom would collapse without QM. But QM defies 'classical >physical understanding' that formed the basis of science so far. The >philosophy of the Greeks which founded 'classical physics' is unable to >handle this new phenomenon. There is no parallel in Greek thoughts which can >handle QM. Let me give you an example. > >The experiment that Anurag mentioned is called the Aspect experiment that >was carried out to show that there 'seems' to be an instantaneous link >between say two electrons (or to photons). The key word here is >'instantaneous -- there is a link that cannot be explained by classical >ideas. This is unusual as it is difficult to explain how two material things >like the electrons are linked to each other. 'They seem to be aware of each >other' - This does not seem like the language of science anymore, does it? >This is where we are at the moment. I suspect that we are in for a great >deal of 'fun and games' when these two major disciplines are forced >together! We wait and watch. > >regards >jay > > A FREE web-based e-mail service brought to you by the PC World Technology Network. Get your FREE account today at http://www.myworldmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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