Guest guest Posted March 11, 2000 Report Share Posted March 11, 2000 Greetings Advaitin: ProfVK presented an excellent overview of Gita with an emphasis on five important points. He further elaborated how these five major arguments are unified and crystallized in the 18th chapter and brought to a consummation in the carama Sloka (verse no.66) of that chapter. Sri Sundar Hattangadi though agreed with ProfVK, asserted that the five injunctions can be derived from the first two mantras from Ishavasya Upanishad. Sri Patrick participates in Gita Satsang implicitly and he often convincingly injects the message of gita in all his postings. The list moderators encourage his direct participation in Gita Satsang and invites him to post his understanding of the verses under discussion. Sadanandaji pointed out how Sri Krishna applied his mastery of human psychology to force Arjuna to get back his true nature. Good teachers always find and apply necessary methods to help their students to achieve the highest level of learning. In modern times, Gurudev Chinmayanandaji has demonstrated that this task is easy with determination and dedication. He is one of the greatest exponent of Gita and he was responsible for the revival of Gita in modern India. His greatest contribution to the society is the creation of a machinery (mission) to produce capable teachers. His succeess of his mission is ably demonstrated by Swami Tejomayananadaji and Swami Dayanandaji and several others. Those who have listened to the discourse of Tejonmayandaji and Dayanandaji would agree that we can see the presence of Chinmayanandaji in their eyes and words. I believe that the entire message of Gita is summarized in Chapter 2 and then further elaborated in the rest of the chapters. This is the time for members to raise questions and get clarifications. We should follow the example of Arjuna to surrender our ego and ask any question, even if we think that they are stupid. We are better off releasing the stupid questions from the system rather storing it in! regards, Ram Chandran ======================================================= Discussion on Bhagawad Gita - Ch.2 - Verses 9 to 11 compiled from Bhagavdgita - Multimedia CD (permission is obtained from the publisher for conducting Gita Sang Discussion) ======================================================= Verse # 9 In this verse, Sanjaya says to Dhrtarastra, that after taking refuge in the Lord, in the manner described above, and praying to Him for instruction and guidance, and then expressing his own oppressive and disturbing thoughts, Arjuna now definitely said that he would not fight, and there-after became silent. Sri Krsna who is called `Govinda' because of the manner described above, and praying to according to the derivation 'Govindavedavakyavideyete labhate', the truth about God is known through the words of the Vedas. The Gita also says- "It is I whom the four Vedas seek to know." (XV. 15). Verse # 10 Referring here to him who was "sorrowing in the midst of the two armies", Sanjaya indirectly points out that the same Arjuna who, a little while ago, had requested Bhagavan Sri Krsna to place his chariot between the two armies in a bellicose and challenging spirit, was now at the sight of his kith and kin in the two opposing armies greatly perturbed and agitated due to infatuation. It was to this Arjuna, obsessed by grief, the Bhagavan Sri Krsna addressed His words. By the words, " Sri Krsna, as if laughing at him, addressed the following words " Sanjaya gives an indication of what the Lord said, and the spirit in which He said it. The intention was to bring out that instead of maintaining the fighting attitude which Arjuna had evinced when he requested the Lord to draw up the chariot between the two armies, he was now swayed by the opposite sentiment of grief; and again, after taking refuge in the Lord, and praying to him for instruction and guidance, and without waiting for His advice, he had straightway declared that he would not fight. How utterly inconsistent these actions of Arjuna were ! Therefore, mentally laughing at these inconsistencies, the Lord said: Verse # 11 It is with reference to Arjuna's state of grief at the sight of his uncles, granduncles, other relations and teachers etc, in both the armies from fear of their destruction, as described by himself in verses 28 to 30 of the first chapter, his sorrow over the preparations for war as expressed in verse 45, and the agitated state of his mind as described by Sanjaya in verse 47, that the Lord here says, "You grieve over those who should not be grieved for." This verse marks the beginning of the gospel of the Gita, which reaches its conclusion in verse 66 of the eighteenth chapter. Referring to the great sin accruing from the destruction of one's race in verses 31 to 44 of Chapter I and 4 to 6 of Chapter II and egoistically referring to the meanness of Duryodhana and others and harping on his own sense of duty. Arjuna again attempted to establish by various arguments that it would be wrong to engage in that fight. Referring to those arguments of Arjuna, the Lord says in this verse that he was talking like the learned. The uppermost thought in Arjuna's mind at that time was that the destruction of his race, which was an inevitable consequence of the war, would lead to a confusion of castes and bring about the fall of his ancestors who were in the other world. He was also feeling anxious for his kith and kin who were arrayed against him, and considered sovereignty and other enjoyments meaningless without them. He also apprehended that the destruction of race would further lead to the corruption of women. This is what is meant by Arjuna's grieving for the dead and the living, and the Lord tells Arjuna that the wise never grieve in this way. For in the eyes of the wise man God, who is an embodiment of Truth, Knowledge and Bliss, is the only abiding reality and nothing exists apart from Him. He is the Self of all and is absolutely indestructible, whereas the bodies are transient and cannot stay. The association as well as the separation of the body and the Soul, though inevitable from the worldly point of view, are only imaginary as a dream. Under such circumstances, for whom should he grieve and why? But Arjuna was certainly grieving, which showed that he was not truly learned, but was merely holding forth as a learned man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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