Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 Namaste, Whether enlightenment is easy or not, whether one lives like a human or not, needs to be measured by Gita's criteria of : sthitapraj~na, guNaatita, and brahmabhuuta. Anything less would be a mockery of the word. Regards, s. >"Madhava K Turumella" <madhava >advaitin ><advaitin > > Enlightenment >Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:18:47 +0300 > >Speaking humanly: enlightenment is not very difficult to achieve. Though >you have experienced it, you can never speak of it. Some people think that >by knowing it they can achieve it, some others think that by behaving they >can achieve it... On the contrary, it is easier than waking up from once >own dream... > >One who really experienced the absolute, lives like a human. One who just >keeps speaking of the absolute with out knowing it, how ever great he >enjoys like a Godman, will undergo a horrible dream/birth in his next >sleep. What does a realized man really needs? Food, Water, Shelter, >money... > > > > > > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 Speaking humanly: enlightenment is not very difficult to achieve. Though you have experienced it, you can never speak of it. Some people think that by knowing it they can achieve it, some others think that by behaving they can achieve it... On the contrary, it is easier than waking up from once own dream... One who really experienced the absolute, lives like a human. One who just keeps speaking of the absolute with out knowing it, how ever great he enjoys like a Godman, will undergo a horrible dream/birth in his next sleep. What does a realized man really needs? Food, Water, Shelter, money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2000 Report Share Posted March 28, 2000 Dear Madhava, Since when does the supreme self count modesty among its attributes? Regards, Patrick > I would like to > point out that > I wouldn't dare comment on any soul. > I know from my heart that I am an > insignificant nothing, existing just > like a small gross flower in wild. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2000 Report Share Posted March 28, 2000 Thank you :-) By the way, I just read your "Interesting link" and I would like to specify that my words are in no way related to the link that you have posted. It was just a co-incidence. . I would like to point out that I wouldn't dare comment on any soul. I know from my heart that I am an insignificant nothing, existing just like a small gross flower in wild. Actually, after returning from Europe and witnessing some of those events has put me in to deep introspection. The previous mail was just a glimpse of the radical thoughts that are taking place in me... Sthitapragna = prajahAti yadA kAmAn... "Sthitaprajna" The one who renounced the desire itself can not claim the guruship (because it is again a desire), why any thing less, I believe in that context everything else that a Godman consciously chooses becomes a desire. Then is he a desire one! Here we see who is a gunAteeta "guNAguNEshu vartaMtE iti matvA nashajjatE" - He becomes a witness to the play of the gunAs and will neither get deluded nor get dragged by them in to the samsara. Then how will you identify him (the so-called realized person) among all these claiming the people? (I wonder why at all you need to identify him) You need not identify him, identify that "The omnipotent/omniscient Lord" who is behind him, he is every where behind every thing. Why attribute holiness to a certain individual when everything in this universe is *him* alone, as pure as it could be as taintless as it can be. I believe that attributing holiness has done more damage to the eternal dharma. Sincere seekers are left to choose between a bunch of crooks and a bunch of saints, who physically look alike and being claimed Godmen behave alike.... We have to get a vision and see what is the force beyond/behind the animated universe / the name and form / even if it were the form of your own guru / even if it were the form of your own lord. One has to witness and realize that the force that is behind them is also behind him. Every thing is him alone. nEhanAnAsti kiMcana... I was in Amsterdam ten days back. I went to see Anne Frank's museum. I sat there for two hours to contemplate on the atrocities committed on those hapless people. I am shaken to witness the haunted past. By the grace of Lord Shiva, I witnessed the words/thoughts which possess the power of destruction! - Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh <advaitin > Monday, March 27, 2000 5:46 PM Re: Enlightenment > "Sunder Hattangadi" <sunderh > > Namaste, > > Whether enlightenment is easy or not, whether one lives like a > human or not, needs to be measured by Gita's criteria of : sthitapraj~na, > guNaatita, and brahmabhuuta. Anything less would be a mockery of the word. > > Regards, > > s. > > > > >"Madhava K Turumella" <madhava > >advaitin > ><advaitin > > > Enlightenment > >Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:18:47 +0300 > > > >Speaking humanly: enlightenment is not very difficult to achieve. Though > >you have experienced it, you can never speak of it. Some people think that > >by knowing it they can achieve it, some others think that by behaving they > >can achieve it... On the contrary, it is easier than waking up from once > >own dream... > > > >One who really experienced the absolute, lives like a human. One who just > >keeps speaking of the absolute with out knowing it, how ever great he > >enjoys like a Godman, will undergo a horrible dream/birth in his next > >sleep. What does a realized man really needs? Food, Water, Shelter, > >money... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click./1/936/3/_/489436/_/954207999/ > ------ > > Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To from the list, send Email to <advaitin- > For other contact, Email to <advaitins > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2000 Report Share Posted March 28, 2000 :-) How do you know the attributes of the supreme self? - Patrick Kenny <pkenny <advaitin > Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:30 PM Re: Enlightenment > Patrick Kenny <pkenny > > Dear Madhava, > > Since when does the supreme self count > modesty among its attributes? > > Regards, > > Patrick > > > I would like to > > point out that > > I wouldn't dare comment on any soul. > > I know from my heart that I am an > > insignificant nothing, existing just > > like a small gross flower in wild. > > > > ------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2122/3/_/489436/_/954264626/ > ------ > > Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To from the list, send Email to <advaitin- > For other contact, Email to <advaitins > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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