Sai Baba, ie Raju the Brashta!

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Namaste All,

 

Being censored is par for the course when one is on

the Dharmic path, thank you. My perception is based on

evidence most of which isn't on those sites.

 

Sai Baba is a fraud and in the end will hurt people's

spirituality.

 

He is an ex-Ghandarva and fallen yogi Brashta.

 

What he is doing to young boys is inexcusable, and

must be resisted.

 

Do what you will with my postings it is not something

I will lose sleep over.

 

Censorship indicates fear of the truth!

 

Shirdi has appeared to many and said this raju has

nothing to do with him and he will get his old

devotees out!

 

Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.

 

 

--- "Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava

wrote:

> Dear Tony O'Clery,

>

> BLESSED SELF! Om Namasivaya:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Your postings and your referenced articles suggest

> that you have a

> different

> perception of Sai Baba.

>

> We fully respect your opinion. Unfortunately, this

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> members to use this platform to spread messages that

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> the

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Dear Tony,

 

Your stand on dharma is highly praised. But i guess

accussations won't serve the purpose. If you think that something

wrong is going on then try to become capable enough to challenege the

person one to one. If you are on the right path Lord and all the

divine souls will be with you and if not then you will find something.

 

 

Accussations are not the path of a divine. Divine fights like a lion.

 

love,

Anurag

 

On Wed, 24 May 2000, Tony O'Clery wrote:

> Namaste All,

>

> Being censored is par for the course when one is on

> the Dharmic path, thank you. My perception is based on

> evidence most of which isn't on those sites.

>

> Sai Baba is a fraud and in the end will hurt people's

> spirituality.

>

> He is an ex-Ghandarva and fallen yogi Brashta.

>

> What he is doing to young boys is inexcusable, and

> must be resisted.

>

> Do what you will with my postings it is not something

> I will lose sleep over.

>

> Censorship indicates fear of the truth!

>

> Shirdi has appeared to many and said this raju has

> nothing to do with him and he will get his old

> devotees out!

>

> Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.

>

>

> --- "Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava

> wrote:

> > Dear Tony O'Clery,

> >

> > BLESSED SELF! Om Namasivaya:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Your postings and your referenced articles suggest

> > that you have a

> > different

> > perception of Sai Baba.

> >

> > We fully respect your opinion. Unfortunately, this

> > Forum will not allow

> > members to use this platform to spread messages that

> > are inappropriate to

> > the

> > mission of Shankara. This is the opinion of the

> > moderators of this list and

> > you have violated once again after we requested you

> > to stop slandering.

> >

> > Consequently, all your future postings will be

> > reviewed by the moderators

> > before releasing to the list. You will still enjoy

> > all the privileges and if

> > your writings follow the list guidelines, they will

> > be posted without any

> > hesitation,

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Madhava Turmella

> > Chief Moderator

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Spiritual Seekers,

 

As any popular person, Sathya Sai Baba would receive both the

greatest praises and most scandalous criticisms, although the latter is

very few.

 

Both the praises and criticisms are hard to prove *exactly*, it is just

based on individuals' beliefs or faith.

 

The only tangible, direct and unquestionable proof I have seen so far is

of Sathya Sai Baba's influence on the carrying out of so many service,

spiritual (bhajans, meditation etc. ) and education (EHV) activities

around the globe in such huge numbers. This shows that his presence

as a spiritual teacher is not completely fruitless and he _IS_ positively

influencing millions around the world towards the moral and spiritual

path.

 

If let say I am a layman who does not believe in spiritual powers,

supernatural identities and wouldn't bother to believe in the praises and

criticisms because I can't directly prove them, then the above is the

only way I can gauge SSB's usefulness. And, he does pass off as

being useful. Whether or not he plagiarized others' works, those

teachings presented by him are more impactful (to cause the activities

mentioned in the above paragraph) than those whom he may of copied

from.

 

There are those who also criticize Jesus Christ, Muhammad and

others too in the exactly similar way Tony criticizes SSB but, their

teachings too have found their usefulness in the world.

 

There are 1001 ways for anyone to exalt or dishonour someone

convincingly. This is also the case for so many saints and gurus. In the

end, it is your perspective only. Or your faith perhaps. The only Guru

who can only enlighten you and dispel the darkness of ignorance is

God in your Heart and the dispelling takes place from within, inside.

 

You see... convincing others is a skill and people who praise, criticize

and convert others into anything are particularly very skilled at it.

Whether the facts are true or not does not matter.

 

Those who are aspiring spiritually should not worry about this. This is

because we should see, hear or do evil because this would polute our

minds which would be bring us to spiritual regression. Those on the

dharmic path should be worried only with their own evil tendencies.

They should also detach themselves from external evil influences.

 

After all, this is an advaitin list. As non-dual philosophy aspirants,

members of this list especially, should have no reason to bother

greatly with praises and criticisms.

 

Faith should be to the God Within. This God is found in all animate and

inanimate bodies including the physical frame of SSB. If he was

poornAvathar, he only displays the perfect *personality* of Godhead.

That is the only difference. His body will be subject to mAya no matter

what.

 

The Supreme Personality of Brahman is found within us. We have to

seek to communicate spiritually with it. If SSB was an avathar, that

body was created to perform a mission on a global basis. If not, then

too bad. It was not created exclusively so that we may worship it. The

body of a genuine avathar and a charged idol is like a handsfree

telephone. Just because you hear your friend's voice from it and you

can converse with him/her, it does not mean that the handsfree

telephone is your friend. When it is destroyed, your friend is not. This

example is to show that the friend is more important than the phone.

Thinking that the idol and the body is exclusively God and that the

phone is exclusively the friend is Hinduism-wise idolatry.

 

All your thoughts whether malevolent or benevolent affect yourself only.

If he isn't PoornAvatar, but your thinking that he is doesn't make him

one nor if you don't think he is, but he is, doesn't make a difference

either. In my personal opinion, hunting for perfect logical reasoning will

leave you with an equal pile of praises and insults, with perhaps equal

levels of positivity and negativity. This kind of thing coincides with

mathematical law of normal distribution and probability. If he is really

an Avathar, I think that the person who is least worried about the

praises and blames is the Avathar.

 

I feel checking of Sai's authenticity should be secondary or even

meaningless to searching the authenticity of your Self (AtmA). No

offense taken. No offense given.

 

The authenticity of Sai Baba's identity is his own problem to prove or

not. We don't have the spiritual "eye" to detect for spiritual masters'

authenticities. So many people can argue based on a variety of beliefs.

If there can be believers of all kinds claiming each thing is *exclusively*

true, then we immediately know that "beliefs" or believing is false. But,

the problem of those who choose to truly follow his lead is to implement

his teachings in their lives i.e. to move along the spiritual path

according to their own religions, beliefs etc. That is our sole problem.

 

Spiritual teachers in the past like Buddha, Jesus and the founders of

most religions as well as some Hindu saints are those I have "beliefs"

in as authentic spiritual masters. However, I have absolutely no idea of

the authenticity of contemporary spiritual teachers like Ramana

Maharshi, Meher Baba, Osho, Master Darshan Singh, Maitreya etc.

 

But I have read esp. some of the teachings of Sri Ramana and Meher

Baba and find them good and useful to spiritual growth as we know it

although Meher Baba may claim to be God-incarnate or Ramana's and

Osho's devotees call them "bhagavAn" (the Lord). So, I don't reject

them based on claims of identities, because I DON'T know about them

but I find their teachings positive and good. Isn't this all the reason I

need to ponder into their words but search for the Truth myself (reading

is useless without contemplation) ?

 

In the words of the Vedas... let good thoughts come to us from all

directions. That should be the foundation for a list such as

this. Finding faults, whether they are true or not, isn't good thoughts.

 

 

 

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Warmest regards,

Ruben

rubenn

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