Interesting info that I came across during the weaked

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I attended a conference of some like-minded people this Saturday and

Sunday. One Dr. Kidambi from Toronto gave a short talk covering the

glories of Hinduism. One important information that he gave us intrigued

my mind. But the information presented was insufficient for me to fully

accept the scientific validity of the facts. Of course, I have no basis

for rejecting the information either. But I would like to share with you

since I am very pleasantly puzzled.

Dr. Kidambi was on his way to attend a yearly meeting on "Sanatana Dharma"

in Houston. He is giving a talk there along with David Fraley? (I am not

sure the spelling is correct).

 

Here is the summary of the information he presented using visual display

in terms of vu-graphs of the results he collected:

 

Apparently this happened when Supercomputer technology is becoming

available in England - I think it was in the University of Cambridge - But

I am not sure. One Indian computer specialist, developed a program to

recognize the sound Wave patterns and a program that can project the

interference pattern arising from the sound waves. (Sound waves like

light waves can interfere with each other resulting in interference

pattern. This pattern converted to visual image will look like grid of

fringes).

 

In his experiments, the scientist got hold of Lalita Sahasra Naamaavali

recorded authentically with proper intonations and He used that sound

pattern to see what kind of interference pattern it would give rise to

using his program. He had to use the supercomputer to generate the pattern.

The results, as Dr. Kidambi projected on the screen, was startling. I

cannot describe that in words - but it was not smeared diffuse pattern

that result when we play any record but was highly defined geometrical grid

pattern somewhat similar to what the Indian ladies decoratively draw using

while or color flour in front of the house - we call in south as 'kolam'.

 

The second feature of his work was related to holographic three D-

projection using these interference pattern. He used this geometrical

picture that he got out of 'Lalita Sahasra Naamavali' and generated a

holographic image of that. - The result was even more startling. It

resulted in the holographic image of a Goddess looking like "Lalita' as

pictured in the scriptures.

 

I was told - When the news came out - the immediate result was the

scientist was kicked out of the University in the pretext that he misused

the supercomputer (apparently it did utilize lot of memory) and we donot

know whereabouts of this gentleman now.

 

As usual I am very skeptical about these results, but if this is really

true, it is extremely profound and startling. There have been always

statements from our masters that Vedas and the mantras have to be properly

pronounced with proper intonations and sound has a profound effect. But if

the above results are really true, here is methodology that utilizes the

scientifically validatable tools that can result in profound impact in

terms of the validity of our mantras and chantings that were taught very

methodically.

 

Dr. Kidambi assured me that he is going to send me all the information he

has for me to look carefully.

- I would like to get to the facts in terms of how much of this is really

true - what exactly was done in England and how much of it is sensational

and how much of these are facts and what is the degree of reproducibility

of the results. Even if University of Cambridge or whatever tried to

suppress the results (with presumed fear that it puts Hinduism in different

lime light), why not the methodology tried at other palaces - particularly

now when computer memory is cheap).

 

But Dr. Kidambi presentation intrigued me and some of you in the list may

already be familiar with it. If the results are true and reproducable

then what kind of patterns will results for other vedic and pouranic

chantings and mantras that have been handed down through generations?

These questions are intriguing and worth exploring before accepting or

rejecting the results. If this is true then, I would like explore if

there are avenues available to investigate further specificity,

reproducability, etc., of these claims.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello Dr. Sadananda,

 

I remember that some info appeared on one

discussion list saying that some scientists in germany were experimenting

with sound waves and effect was to be seen on a fine sheet of sand. There

was one indian among them. From his childhood memory he recollected one

shaloka about Ganeshji and what appeared on sand was the image of Ganesh.

 

 

There is no doubt about it that words are very very scientific. There is

whole lot of mystery in the words.

 

love,

Anurag

 

On Tue, 30 May 2000, K. Sadananda wrote:

> I attended a conference of some like-minded people this Saturday and

> Sunday. One Dr. Kidambi from Toronto gave a short talk covering the

> glories of Hinduism. One important information that he gave us intrigued

> my mind. But the information presented was insufficient for me to fully

> accept the scientific validity of the facts. Of course, I have no basis

> for rejecting the information either. But I would like to share with you

> since I am very pleasantly puzzled.

> Dr. Kidambi was on his way to attend a yearly meeting on "Sanatana Dharma"

> in Houston. He is giving a talk there along with David Fraley? (I am not

> sure the spelling is correct).

>

> Here is the summary of the information he presented using visual display

> in terms of vu-graphs of the results he collected:

>

> Apparently this happened when Supercomputer technology is becoming

> available in England - I think it was in the University of Cambridge - But

> I am not sure. One Indian computer specialist, developed a program to

> recognize the sound Wave patterns and a program that can project the

> interference pattern arising from the sound waves. (Sound waves like

> light waves can interfere with each other resulting in interference

> pattern. This pattern converted to visual image will look like grid of

> fringes).

>

> In his experiments, the scientist got hold of Lalita Sahasra Naamaavali

> recorded authentically with proper intonations and He used that sound

> pattern to see what kind of interference pattern it would give rise to

> using his program. He had to use the supercomputer to generate the pattern.

> The results, as Dr. Kidambi projected on the screen, was startling. I

> cannot describe that in words - but it was not smeared diffuse pattern

> that result when we play any record but was highly defined geometrical grid

> pattern somewhat similar to what the Indian ladies decoratively draw using

> while or color flour in front of the house - we call in south as 'kolam'.

>

> The second feature of his work was related to holographic three D-

> projection using these interference pattern. He used this geometrical

> picture that he got out of 'Lalita Sahasra Naamavali' and generated a

> holographic image of that. - The result was even more startling. It

> resulted in the holographic image of a Goddess looking like "Lalita' as

> pictured in the scriptures.

>

> I was told - When the news came out - the immediate result was the

> scientist was kicked out of the University in the pretext that he misused

> the supercomputer (apparently it did utilize lot of memory) and we donot

> know whereabouts of this gentleman now.

>

> As usual I am very skeptical about these results, but if this is really

> true, it is extremely profound and startling. There have been always

> statements from our masters that Vedas and the mantras have to be properly

> pronounced with proper intonations and sound has a profound effect. But if

> the above results are really true, here is methodology that utilizes the

> scientifically validatable tools that can result in profound impact in

> terms of the validity of our mantras and chantings that were taught very

> methodically.

>

> Dr. Kidambi assured me that he is going to send me all the information he

> has for me to look carefully.

> - I would like to get to the facts in terms of how much of this is really

> true - what exactly was done in England and how much of it is sensational

> and how much of these are facts and what is the degree of reproducibility

> of the results. Even if University of Cambridge or whatever tried to

> suppress the results (with presumed fear that it puts Hinduism in different

> lime light), why not the methodology tried at other palaces - particularly

> now when computer memory is cheap).

>

> But Dr. Kidambi presentation intrigued me and some of you in the list may

> already be familiar with it. If the results are true and reproducable

> then what kind of patterns will results for other vedic and pouranic

> chantings and mantras that have been handed down through generations?

> These questions are intriguing and worth exploring before accepting or

> rejecting the results. If this is true then, I would like explore if

> there are avenues available to investigate further specificity,

> reproducability, etc., of these claims.

>

> Hari Om!

> Sadananda

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

K. Sadananda

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Thanks Anurag for the info. Interesting. When we are looking for

objective aspects of these, we should also be careful to examine these with

the scientific rigour in terms of reproducability by others and specificity

of the results and objective validation by independent unbiased evaluators.

 

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

>Hello Dr. Sadananda,

>

> I remember that some info appeared on one

>discussion list saying that some scientists in germany were experimenting

>with sound waves and effect was to be seen on a fine sheet of sand. There

>was one indian among them. From his childhood memory he recollected one

>shaloka about Ganeshji and what appeared on sand was the image of Ganesh.

>

>

>There is no doubt about it that words are very very scientific. There is

>whole lot of mystery in the words.

>

>love,

>Anurag

 

K. Sadananda

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Washington D.C. 20375

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Namaste,

 

Frank's cogent comments are worth endless repetition.

 

These results may be equated with 'siddhis' related to intellectual

'tapas'; not unlike the powers gained through practice of various yoga

techniques.

 

The danger lies in the powers being utilised in the 'ugra' (ferocious)

form rather than the peaceful, 'saumya or shaanti', form.

 

The latter is possible only if the tapas is for cultivating 'sattvika'

qualities, as in the pursuit of the ultimate siddhi which is 'aatma-siddhi'.

 

Legend has it that Shankara had to 'pacify' Kamakshi in Kanchi who had

assumed the 'ugra' form!

 

One wonders at the misuse of the swastika symbolism in the earlier

decades!

 

 

Regards,

 

s.

 

>f maiello <egodust

>advaitin

>advaitin

>Re: Interesting info that I came across during the

>weaked

>Tue, 30 May 2000 19:33:28 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>"K. Sadananda" <sada wrote:

> > [...]

> > In his experiments, the scientist got hold of

> > Lalita Sahasra Naamaavali

> > recorded authentically with proper intonations and

> > He used that sound

> > pattern to see what kind of interference pattern it

> > would give rise to

> > using his program. He had to use the supercomputer

> > to generate the pattern.

> > The results, as Dr. Kidambi projected on the screen,

> > was startling. I

> > cannot describe that in words - but it was not

> > smeared diffuse pattern

> > that result when we play any record but was highly

> > defined geometrical grid

> > pattern somewhat similar to what the Indian ladies

> > decoratively draw using

> > while or color flour in front of the house - we call

> > in south as 'kolam'.

> >

> > The second feature of his work was related to

> > holographic three D-

> > projection using these interference pattern. He

> > used this geometrical

> > picture that he got out of 'Lalita Sahasra

> > Naamavali' and generated a

> > holographic image of that. - The result was even

> > more startling. It

> > resulted in the holographic image of a Goddess

> > looking like "Lalita' as

> > pictured in the scriptures.

>

>hariH OM! sadaji-

>

>yes, this is an involved and interesting scientific

>endeavor, long known and in recent years explored

>by not only the germans but the former soviet union,

>in attempting to create a technology to contol global

>weather paterns, based on [this technique] referred

>to as 'scalar interferometry.' information i got was

>they were to set up these massive contraptions in

>two areas of the pacific, they called 'woodpeckers,'

>that would emit powerful sound [inaudible short

>waves] that would cause a confliction at their meeting

>

>point. ( I was told this was allegedly formerly

>classified

>information.) long story short, it didn't accomplish

>what they thought it would in its test run, so it was

>abandoned.

>

>at any rate, scalar interferometry is a powerful tool.

>a simple experiment would be to go to a pool of

>water and drop two stones simultaneously about

>ten feet apart and watch the concentric rings as

>they converge. among other consequences, the

>pattern has an *exponential* turbulence.

>

>it doesn't surprise me that certain images would

>emerge from particular sounds of musical scores.

>along with the fractal phenomenon discovered in

>nature [as well to be seen eventually embedded in

>genetic coding permutations as well as causal to

>patterns of human thought], all these are

>intrinsically

>archetypal to the mathematical foundation of the

>universe, which has an artistic albeit unpredictable

>and therefore *mysterious* element that gives it

>such beauty and wonder...

>

>however, in my view, all this amounts to forms of

>entertainment, and--as i'm sure many of us are

>aware--shouldn't be relied on as anything

>momentous or even prerequisite to apprehending

>the nature of Self. it's fun to explore though...

>

>peacelove,

>frank

>

>

>

>

>

>

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"K. Sadananda" <sada wrote:

> [...]

> In his experiments, the scientist got hold of

> Lalita Sahasra Naamaavali

> recorded authentically with proper intonations and

> He used that sound

> pattern to see what kind of interference pattern it

> would give rise to

> using his program. He had to use the supercomputer

> to generate the pattern.

> The results, as Dr. Kidambi projected on the screen,

> was startling. I

> cannot describe that in words - but it was not

> smeared diffuse pattern

> that result when we play any record but was highly

> defined geometrical grid

> pattern somewhat similar to what the Indian ladies

> decoratively draw using

> while or color flour in front of the house - we call

> in south as 'kolam'.

>

> The second feature of his work was related to

> holographic three D-

> projection using these interference pattern. He

> used this geometrical

> picture that he got out of 'Lalita Sahasra

> Naamavali' and generated a

> holographic image of that. - The result was even

> more startling. It

> resulted in the holographic image of a Goddess

> looking like "Lalita' as

> pictured in the scriptures.

 

hariH OM! sadaji-

 

yes, this is an involved and interesting scientific

endeavor, long known and in recent years explored

by not only the germans but the former soviet union,

in attempting to create a technology to contol global

weather paterns, based on [this technique] referred

to as 'scalar interferometry.' information i got was

they were to set up these massive contraptions in

two areas of the pacific, they called 'woodpeckers,'

that would emit powerful sound [inaudible short

waves] that would cause a confliction at their meeting

 

point. ( I was told this was allegedly formerly

classified

information.) long story short, it didn't accomplish

what they thought it would in its test run, so it was

abandoned.

 

at any rate, scalar interferometry is a powerful tool.

a simple experiment would be to go to a pool of

water and drop two stones simultaneously about

ten feet apart and watch the concentric rings as

they converge. among other consequences, the

pattern has an *exponential* turbulence.

 

it doesn't surprise me that certain images would

emerge from particular sounds of musical scores.

along with the fractal phenomenon discovered in

nature [as well to be seen eventually embedded in

genetic coding permutations as well as causal to

patterns of human thought], all these are

intrinsically

archetypal to the mathematical foundation of the

universe, which has an artistic albeit unpredictable

and therefore *mysterious* element that gives it

such beauty and wonder...

 

however, in my view, all this amounts to forms of

entertainment, and--as i'm sure many of us are

aware--shouldn't be relied on as anything

momentous or even prerequisite to apprehending

the nature of Self. it's fun to explore though...

 

peacelove,

frank

 

 

 

 

 

 

Send instant messages & get email alerts with Messenger.

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Franks thanks for information and taking time to post.

 

Yes I am somewhat familiar with the concept of fractal dimensions as well

as chaos theory with strange attractors which are of fractals. I am not

sure the pattern that was generated out of Lalita Sahasra Naamaavali is of

fractal dimension. It might be. That is in tune with the other natural

creations. The repeated pattern and the inverse projection using

holography giving rise to picture of Lalita - if it is really true, is

indeed astonishing. My admiration is not just the generation of some

pattern per sec but holographic projection of Lalita out of that pattern

that was generated out of Lalita shaasra naamaavali. If this is true,

there is more involved than simple inverse transformations.

 

There is a beauty in the creation and it requires a sensitive mind to

appreciate the beauty and marvel at the creator. That is the creator power

of the unlimited. I am reminded of Tagore's Geetangali.

 

Manifesting though the limited minds and creating the beauty is more easily

appreciable within our reach and Lalita Sahasranaamavali or other hymns

coming down from forefathers with appropriate intonations with periodic or

aperiodic structures is another marvel indeed. My heart bleeds out of

humility thinking of the greatness of our sages who could tune their minds

to the highest and tap the infinite with finite words; and at the same time

bloats out of pride, even though I may still be a dust particle, for

inheriting a speck of their lineage.

 

Yes it is a form of entertainment and that is the beauty of creation and

the creation itself is an entertainment or Leela. The more one is tuned

to Him the more the beauty of Him is seen reflected in that entertainment.

The tenth chapter of Bhagawad Geeta - the Vibhuuti yoga - that we are

currently studying in our Sunday Geta Class is reflection of His glory. In

the Sixth Chapter Krishna declares:

 

yo mam pasyati sarvatra sarvancha mayi pastyi

tasyaaham na praNasyaami sa cha me na praNasyati||

 

One who sees me everywhere and sees everything in me

he will never be away from me, nor I will be away from him||

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>hariH OM! sadaji-

>

>yes, this is an involved and interesting scientific

>endeavor, long known and in recent years explored

>by not only the germans but the former soviet union,

>in attempting to create a technology to contol global

>weather paterns, based on [this technique] referred

>to as 'scalar interferometry.' information i got was

>they were to set up these massive contraptions in

>two areas of the pacific, they called 'woodpeckers,'

>that would emit powerful sound [inaudible short

>waves] that would cause a confliction at their meeting

>

>point. ( I was told this was allegedly formerly

>classified

>information.) long story short, it didn't accomplish

>what they thought it would in its test run, so it was

>abandoned.

>

>at any rate, scalar interferometry is a powerful tool.

>a simple experiment would be to go to a pool of

>water and drop two stones simultaneously about

>ten feet apart and watch the concentric rings as

>they converge. among other consequences, the

>pattern has an *exponential* turbulence.

>

>it doesn't surprise me that certain images would

>emerge from particular sounds of musical scores.

>along with the fractal phenomenon discovered in

>nature [as well to be seen eventually embedded in

>genetic coding permutations as well as causal to

>patterns of human thought], all these are

>intrinsically

>archetypal to the mathematical foundation of the

>universe, which has an artistic albeit unpredictable

>and therefore *mysterious* element that gives it

>such beauty and wonder...

>

>however, in my view, all this amounts to forms of

>entertainment, and--as i'm sure many of us are

>aware--shouldn't be relied on as anything

>momentous or even prerequisite to apprehending

>the nature of Self. it's fun to explore though...

>

>peacelove,

>frank

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Tuesday, May 30, 2000 8:19 AM

Interesting info that I came across during the weaked

 

> I attended a conference of some like-minded people this Saturday and

> Sunday.

[cut]

> But the information presented was insufficient for me to fully

> accept the scientific validity of the facts. Of course, I have no basis

> for rejecting the information either. But I would like to share with you

> since I am very pleasantly puzzled.

[cut]

 

Namaste Sadanandaji,

 

Thank you for sharing your information.

Traditionally, it is stated in the Tantras that

for every mantra (sound) there is an interrelated

yantra (form), evolving from the most subtle (causal)

to ideated forms (subtle) and finally manifesting as gross forms.

 

It would be interesting to see if this confirms

the actual experiences of the sabda yogis,

who simulating the involution (return) phase,

rides the gross and subtle sounds and finally arrives

at the source: Sabda-Brahman.

 

Another question arises, if this is appropriate for discussion,

are these goddesses actual historical characters?

My research shows that Shiva was an actual Dravidian living 5000

years ago and who married the Aryan princess Gauri, causing some

social disturbance (aka Parvatti -Himalayan princess

from north), and had two more spouses Kali (dravidian)

and Ganga (Mongolian). The other goddeses attributed

as Shiva's consorts seem to have been created during the post-Shiva

era and were probably infiltrated from other cults especially Vagrayana

Buddhism ie. the ten Mahavidyas. including Shodasa, Lalita,

Durga etc.

 

Regards

~dave

[Guest guest]

>

>Another question arises, if this is appropriate for discussion,

>are these goddesses actual historical characters?

>My research shows that Shiva was an actual Dravidian living 5000

>years ago and who married the Aryan princess Gauri, causing some

>social disturbance (aka Parvatti -Himalayan princess

>from north), and had two more spouses Kali (dravidian)

>and Ganga (Mongolian). The other goddeses attributed

>as Shiva's consorts seem to have been created during the post-Shiva

>era and were probably infiltrated from other cults especially Vagrayana

>Buddhism ie. the ten Mahavidyas. including Shodasa, Lalita,

>Durga etc.

>

>Regards

>~dave

 

Thanks Dave.

 

Yes historicity although is important but is only one aspect of it. In

principle the infinite pervades every thing and every form is His form and

one can invoke Him in any form that one can conceive or conceptualize him,

recognizing that conceived form is not indicative of his formless form.

 

In the very naamaavali, through contemplative meanings, the infinite is

indicated through the finite words. But more than that the sages have

conceptualized the infinite not just in any form but in particular forms

that helps to tune the mind not only consciously through all grocer senses

but through finer senses as well. More than just 'when' they did but how

they did it is a marvel using the sanskrit language and shabda or sound

intonations that project the forms not only pictorially but through subtler

senses. It is the specificity of the forms and the associated songs as

well as not only grosser but subtler impressions of the form indicative of

extra-sensory nature of the reality - that is puzzling. These are all

packed in the form through the descriptions and sound intonations is

indeed a glories work of art.

 

Chanting the mantras with proper intonations has been recognized as

important - but how important that is remained subjective to ones

experience. The subjective experience remain subjective since that is the

nature of the reality. But now it appears that the modern computations

tools and analysis techniques are providing us powerful tools to confirm at

least to some extent what is known subjectively, and these can be checked

and cross checked objectively leaving the subjective interpretations and

effects aside.

 

Anyway I am curious to find out how much of this is really true and how

much of this is just sensationalism. This of course does not undermine

actually purpose of these forms and the associated mantras - to tune ones

mind to the infinite.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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