Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 I agree with Sunderji that though modern Science is re-emphasising our ancient scriptures, the focus of the discussion must be on the absolute and not the relative "Athava Bahunaithena kim jnathena thavarjuna. Vishtabhyahamidham kruthsnam ekamamshena Sthitho Jagat" "What is the need for knowing this (manifestations of mine) in detail, O' Arjuna? I stand supporting the whole universe with a single fragment of myself" Anand A FREE web-based e-mail service brought to you by the PC World Technology Network. Get your FREE account today at http://www.myworldmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 Thanks for all the comments. Yes you are all right -as Frank pointed out in his first response to my post. - yet it is diversion of objectively looking at the subjective experiences within. As usual all words and attempts are expressing the inexpressable, some to go beyond the expressions to the very core, and some for 'entertainment' as Frank put it. Hari Om! Sadanadna >I agree with Sunderji that though modern Science is re-emphasising our >ancient scriptures, the focus of the discussion must be on the absolute >and not the relative > >"Athava Bahunaithena kim jnathena thavarjuna. > Vishtabhyahamidham kruthsnam ekamamshena Sthitho Jagat" > >"What is the need for knowing this (manifestations of mine) in detail, O' >Arjuna? I stand supporting the whole universe with a single fragment of >myself" > >Anand > > > > > >A FREE web-based e-mail service brought to you by the PC World Technology >Network. >Get your FREE account today at http://www.myworldmail.com > >------ >CLICK HERE AND START SAVING ON LONG DISTANCE BILLS TODAY! >http://click./1/4125/5/_/489436/_/959884228/ >------ > >Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy >focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives >are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To >from the list, send Email to <advaitin- > For other >contact, Email to <advaitins > K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 Lets not get so engrossed in absolute that we forget the relative. Otherwise we are better off in a jungle than being here. Whatever knowledge we had that got lost and became a subject of mockery because no proper reasoning exists. Works of Swami Vivekananda wouldn't have made a difference had they not contained the through research in to spirituality based on logic and reasoning. A scientist comes and shows one some equations and in response one utters some shalokas. Where is harmony, unitedness, oneness in their behaviour and understanding. Peace will reign when there is proper understanding. Ayurveda, Astrology and all other such sciences perished in the lack of proper understanding and the vigour to do proper research in to these areas. And the result is we have to always face towards oethr nations to know what we knew and what we had. Rishi Minis were very down to earth in their research and reasoning. The things and works which they did were according to that time. But in all this gap much has been lost and time has changed. Its necessary that old be established in present time according to present time. It will be no wonder if lord incarnates to establish all in all new newness. The path that world and society in taking now a days. How to change that ? How to establish that which is divine ? Talking about absolute is not going to change it. Something substantial needs to be done. love On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Anand Natarajan wrote: > > I agree with Sunderji that though modern Science is re-emphasising our ancient scriptures, the focus of the discussion must be on the absolute and not the relative > > "Athava Bahunaithena kim jnathena thavarjuna. > Vishtabhyahamidham kruthsnam ekamamshena Sthitho Jagat" > > "What is the need for knowing this (manifestations of mine) in detail, O' Arjuna? I stand supporting the whole universe with a single fragment of myself" > > Anand > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 - <anurag <advaitin > Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:08 PM Re: maths, science and holograms > Lets not get so engrossed in absolute that we forget the relative. > Otherwise we are better off in a jungle than being here. > [cut] Namaste, This is a good point, but especially for those who are already realized and established in the Self; and who may wish to participate in the Play, as exemplified by realizers as Vivekananda, Tagore, Aurobindo, Radhakrishnan of modern Hindu renaissance. My feeling is that this may also be a further development and that all practitioners of Adviata and Buddhism would eventually realize- a contradiction of an absolute Self that includes and embraces the Relative Reality. However, as far as I understand, this aspiration is not within the scope of this community, presently. ~dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 advaitin , "Dave Sirjue" <dsirjue@m...> wrote: > > - > <anurag@s...> > <advaitin > > Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:08 PM > Re: maths, science and holograms > > > > Lets not get so engrossed in absolute that we forget the relative. > > Otherwise we are better off in a jungle than being here. > > [cut] > > Namaste, > > This is a good point, but especially for those who > are already realized and established in the Self; > and who may wish to participate in the Play, as > exemplified by realizers as Vivekananda, Tagore, > Aurobindo, Radhakrishnan of modern Hindu > renaissance. > > My feeling is that this may also be a further development > and that all practitioners of Adviata and Buddhism would > eventually realize- a contradiction of an absolute Self > that includes and embraces the Relative Reality. Shankara was an avowed devotee of Shakti, and therefore by extension Her manifestation as Maya. > However, as far as I understand, this aspiration > is not within the scope of this community, presently. > > ~dave Only those who know themselves as the Self can recognize others who have been blessed similarly. The rest must take it or leave it based on their faith alone. Reason is of little use in this endeavor. --jody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 advaitin , "Dave Sirjue" <dsirjue@m...> wrote: > > - > <anurag@s...> > <advaitin > > Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:08 PM > Re: maths, science and holograms > > > > Lets not get so engrossed in absolute that we forget the relative. > > Otherwise we are better off in a jungle than being here. > > [cut] > > Namaste, > > This is a good point, but especially for those who > are already realized and established in the Self; > and who may wish to participate in the Play, as > exemplified by realizers as Vivekananda, Tagore, > Aurobindo, Radhakrishnan of modern Hindu > renaissance. > > My feeling is that this may also be a further development > and that all practitioners of Adviata and Buddhism would > eventually realize- a contradiction of an absolute Self > that includes and embraces the Relative Reality. > > However, as far as I understand, this aspiration > is not within the scope of this community, presently. > > ~dave If you know of any comunity that does I'd like to join. I very much embrace the relative as the play of the absolute, & as such ~ to be enjoyed not shunned & disociated from. It's All One. The personal gives the impersonal something to play as, & with; & yes is our way of creating consciously a new world where each realizes each other is nothing other than oneself in essence. There is a time to focus on the absolute. There also comes a time to integrate infinite awareness with the form that allowed the play. If we integrate we can live 200% of life. We can bring heaven ON earth not disociated from our manifest forms. Embodied awareness brings balance to the All. In this way may unconditional Love transform the world ; through integrated unconditioned awareness personally expressed from the source (impersonal). IMO, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 Greetings Sri Collette: Namasthe, I endorse your statement, "I embrace the relative as the play of the absolute and as such to be enjoyed not shunned and disassociated from." Infact the scope of Advaitin is quite consistent with the above statement. If we read the FAQ (posted today) carefully we will recognize the true of this list. I expect the chief moderator and other moderators will further clarify their understanding of the scope of this list. Members should also send their suggestions and questions to Sri Madhavaji. The list will accomodate all constructive suggestions for further enhancements to list scope and discussions. regards, Ram Chandran Advaitin Comoderator --- Colette <colette wrote: > If you know of any comunity that does I'd like to > join. I very much > embrace the relative as the play of the absolute, & > as such ~ to be > enjoyed not shunned & disociated from. It's All One. > The personal > gives the impersonal something to play as, & with; & > yes is our way > of creating consciously a new world where each > realizes each other is > nothing other than oneself in essence. > > There is a time to focus on the absolute. There also > comes a time to > integrate infinite awareness with the form that > allowed the > play. If we integrate we can live 200% of life. We > can bring heaven > ON > earth not disociated from our manifest forms. > Embodied awareness > brings balance to the All. In this way may > unconditional Love > transform the world ; through integrated > unconditioned awareness > personally expressed from the source (impersonal). > > IMO, > > Col > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2000 Report Share Posted June 2, 2000 Hi Ram. I must admit I was very surprised to get your reply, but I like it. Thankyou for your embrace of .. all of whom we are. Ram Chandran wrote: > Greetings Sri Collette: > > Namasthe, > > I endorse your statement, "I embrace the relative as > the play of the absolute and as such to be enjoyed not > shunned and disassociated from." Infact the scope of > Advaitin is quite consistent with the above statement. > If we read the FAQ (posted today) carefully we will > recognize the true of this list. I expect the chief > moderator and other moderators will further clarify > their understanding of the scope of this list. > Members should also send their suggestions and > questions to Sri Madhavaji. The list will accomodate > all constructive suggestions for further enhancements > to list scope and discussions. > > regards, > > Ram Chandran > Advaitin Comoderator I understand why there is a pronounced focus on the sacred Absolute & I support that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2000 Report Share Posted June 2, 2000 When we entertain ourselves with wordly things we are merely fulfilling the purpose for which the Absolute created the relative. Important though it is to do this without sacrificing our inner purity or the advaitic vision. - raju chidambaram, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2000 Report Share Posted June 2, 2000 Namaste, There are two impediments to ' advaitic entertainment'! 1. To presume that the question 'why' of anything can be answered through dialectics. 2. To be presumptuous to be able to devise 'solutions' that exclude the "Causeless Cause' or the 'Cause of all Causes'. Regards, s. >rajuateam >advaitin >advaitin >Re: maths, science and holograms >Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:27:06 EDT > > When we entertain ourselves with wordly things we are merely >fulfilling >the purpose for which the Absolute created the relative. > > Important though it is to do this without sacrificing our inner purity >or >the advaitic vision. > > - raju chidambaram, > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2000 Report Share Posted June 2, 2000 Does the discussion between Gopis and Udhavaji go in this spirit. Sri Krishna asks Udhavaji to go and impart knowlwedge to gopis. But there gopis question Udhavaji about Brahama. On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 rajuateam wrote: > When we entertain ourselves with wordly things we are merely fulfilling > the purpose for which the Absolute created the relative. > > Important though it is to do this without sacrificing our inner purity or > the advaitic vision. > > - raju chidambaram, > > > ------ > Missing old school friends? Find them here: > http://click./1/4055/5/_/489436/_/959945235/ > ------ > > Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To from the list, send Email to <advaitin- > For other contact, Email to <advaitins > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2000 Report Share Posted June 2, 2000 advaitin , rajuateam@a... wrote: > When we entertain ourselves with wordly things we are merely fulfilling > the purpose for which the Absolute created the relative. I'm not sure one can claim that the Absolute "created" the relative. Ramakrishna used to say, "Brahman and Shakti are like fire and its power to burn". That is, one does not "create" the other, they are two "sides" or dimensions of the same reality. > Important though it is to do this without sacrificing our inner purity or > the advaitic vision. > > - raju chidambaram, Inner purity is composed of the Absolute only. There is no moral dimension to the Self. That is, the purity of the Absolute is by virtue of its absolute Oneness, not because there are any sort of moral guidelines to It's knowing Itself. --jody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2000 Report Share Posted June 3, 2000 I agree that it is more accurate to use the term "project" than "create". Also it is more correct to use the present tense whenever we speak of the "creation". So, the phrase "the Absolute created the relative"- which I used as a matter of habit than for any other reason- is more correctly recast as "the Absolute is projecting the relative". After all, even this e-mail chat we are amusing ourselves with is part of that continuing projection. - raju chidambaram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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