Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 An interesting question from the Ramakrishna List. Perhaps the members can send a reply and a copy to me (jay) at vivekananda 04 June 2000 10:21 RE: [ramakrishna] Digest Number 458 > What you say is very true, that time is very short. > > I have 2 general doubts : Once a person has realised his Self, will he have > interest in the worldly 'stuff' ? Or would he like only to enjoy the Bliss? > > Again, if he decides to come into the world, should he have any fear of > falling from his exalted state, due to his activities in the world? > > Could anyone pls advise me what the Scriptures tell about this. > > regards, > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 my 2c When a person realises what is "Self", he is one with not only himself but with the entire creation. At that stage - I think - life in the "real" world may take one of two paths. One may be so enraptured with Bliss that they cannot bear even momentary dis-association from that bliss in order to do the things normal human beings do in order do to survive - eat, breathe, etc...- and consequently pass away into maha-samadhi * OR * The Bliss-full nature involuntarily propels one to act for the benefit of those who have yet to achieve that state. And when they do that it is not that they are "falling from grace". Should he have any fear of falling from that exalted state ? I think a person who can make the decision to come back into the world after experience supreme bliss is beyond fear. Fear happens when you want something (safety, money, love, etc) but are not sure of getting it. But a person who has experience Bliss wants no more. It is just that they have taken up a mission. I think Sw. Vivekananda's entire life is an answer to your question and an example par excellence of the latter path. IMHO Ram > > Vivekananda Centre [sMTP:vivekananda] > Monday, June 05, 2000 4:01 AM > Self Knowledge List > Jivanmukta > > An interesting question from the Ramakrishna List. > Perhaps the members can send a reply and a copy to me > (jay) at vivekananda > > 04 June 2000 10:21 > RE: [ramakrishna] Digest Number 458 > > > > What you say is very true, that time is very short. > > > > I have 2 general doubts : Once a person has realised his Self, will he > have > > interest in the worldly 'stuff' ? Or would he like only to enjoy the > Bliss? > > > > Again, if he decides to come into the world, should he have any fear of > > falling from his exalted state, due to his activities in the world? > > > > Could anyone pls advise me what the Scriptures tell about this. > > > > regards, > > Hari > > > > > ------ > Never lose a file again. Protect yourself from accidental deletes, > overwrites, and viruses with @Backup. > Try @Backup it's easy, it's safe, and it's FREE! > Click here to receive 300 MyPoints just for trying @Backup. > http://click./1/4936/5/_/489436/_/960194028/ > ------ > > Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy > focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives > are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To > from the list, send Email to <advaitin- > For other > contact, Email to <advaitins > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2000 Report Share Posted June 5, 2000 Namaste, Satchidananda is not outside the world for a Jnani. Here is an illustration by Ramana Maharshi. - "Now (meaning in ignorance) you think you are in the world , Then (after realization) you will find the world is within you". We view Satchidananda through coloured glasses and hence we see the world. On transparency that which was the world becomes Satchidananda. Anand On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:26:51 jody radzik wrote: >Satchitananda is completely outside of >this world. Happiness is within the world. One can know themselves >as bliss but not always experience this as relative happiness. A FREE web-based e-mail service brought to you by the PC World Technology Network. Get your FREE account today at http://www.myworldmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2000 Report Share Posted June 6, 2000 Namaste, These statements are not in accord with the experiences described in the Upanishads, Gita, or the biographies of Jivanmuktas. As Sri Ramana pointed out, 'mano-laya' is a valid stage, but 'mano-naasha' supercedes it. Then the jivanmukta sees the world as a dream, mirage, &c (still only an approximate analogy), and not as world. Regards, s. > >I would also like to point out that realization does not >automatically confer the blessing of seeing the Self >in all. That is, one can know themselves *as* the Self, >experientially and simultaneously with an experience of the >world as the world. > >--jody. > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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