Our Mission: the Destruction of Life?

June 13, 2000

such is the common misconception contended by

mayavadins disguised even as advaitins.

make no mistake, advaitam is the polar opposite!

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postulate: life is a product of brahman's desire.

despite that we postulate that brahman to be

attributeless, nevertheless we cannot deny the

existence of the manifestation in spacetime, and

further we cannot deny that if we trace its cause it

must lead us to the Absolute brahman Itself.

therefore it must be considered that latent within the

nirguna brahman is the seed of desire (as the vedas

tell us, "desire is the creator, desire is the

sustainer, desire is the destroyer."). otherwise Life

could never have manifested. it's vital for us to

come to terms with this and understand its

implications, as well as understand the nature of one

who becomes enlightened, insofar as desires of various

forms will yet remain intact. however, the difference

is that [between the enlightened and unenlightened]

such desires are always considered within the context

of the Whole, and therefore traceable to the nature of

pure Being and its concommitant pure Consciousness,

conferring pure Bliss [of brahman]....viz. the

satchidananda state.

on the other hand if we assess the nature of the world

as something to be eliminated and destroyed, then how

can we account for its coming into being in the first

place? this line of reasoning would then negate [what

has to be the implied] enlightened state of brahman!

in other words, the manifestation in spacetime, being

necessarily relative--embracing the poles of the

positive and negative--are themselves nothing less

than perfection/imperfection and beyond

perfection/imperfection, *simultaneously*. our Minds

arrange it otherwise, attempting to organize the

Unknowable. this in turn equates to pure mystery.

so, for anyone to claim that the nature of the world

is something to be denied and destroyed is, in turn,

supporting the idea of duality. this is not what

advaita is saying. advaita asserts that the Whole is

One, *including* the nature of the manifestation (i.e.

saguna brahman or brahman's lila). and within the

context of this, desires, in turn, are part and parcel

of the Whole. the basic idea is that the Whole is

never lost sight of...the connection is never severed,

and therefore the desires are all part of the

Play...all represent the Sport of brahman, and are not

isolated events.

regarding the intent of ken wilbur's statement, i

agree. however, in the context of the definition of

ego (if defined as a separative and isolated identity,

antagonistic to all else), i would say that it is in

fact destroyed. and what surfaces in its stead is the

soul or jivatman, which retains an element or

component of individuality. yet the soul is always

intrinsically connected to its substratum source in

brahman. this is the critical difference between the

illusion of bondage and reality of liberation. and

within the context of this, once again, the desires

are *not* destroyed, rather they're attenuated. they

are always based in the One Essence, and they are delt

with as integral to the Play. OM.

the jnani is also referred to as a brahmajnani. and

this implies that the jnani or individual

*automatically* retains its connection to its source

in brahman. and to say that the jnani is or should be

completely without desire(s) is tantamount to saying

that brahman is completely without desire(s). this is

false. if it were so, the manifestation in Life would

never have occurred. we have to therefore be capable

of meeting and flowing with the beauty of Life, and

not seek to destroy it...otherwise there would have

been no purpose for its coming into being in the first

place.

the way therefore isn't involved in some shift into

nescience, the void, entailing the destruction of

Life; but rather the connection to the foundation of

pure Consciousness supporting the dance of Life in its

wonder and beauty and magnanimity.

advaita seeks to celebrate Life in its source in the

Whole, it isn't looking to reform us into zombies from

the neck down.

the implication is that desires have to be assed in a

whole new way, and not denied and negated; for to do

so is to deny and negate Life Itself, which in turn is

to refuse the unfathomably beautiful gift made by the

Self.

and this new way of handling desire implies that one

never loses the connection to one's foundation in

brahman. as such, each desire is never an isolated

event. therefore to succeed or fail in their

fulfillment is inconsequential on the nature of one's

true state.

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June 13, 2000

Om,

Yes, since you yourself are That, your desire only created everything that

you now perceive. How beautiful, the silent infinite lake of light, ripples,

attaches itself to one wave and perceives its creation.

Avyakthadeeni bhuthaani vyaktha madhyaani bharatha

Avyaktha Nidhanaanyeva tatraka paridevana .

Anand

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:42:29 f maiello wrote:

>postulate: life is a product of brahman's desire.

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June 14, 2000

namastE Frankji:

Beautiful! Truth is speaking by itself... I would like to call the

following as the Advaitic statement of the month. Thank you for being

*there*...

Yours,

Madhava

f maiello [egodust]

i would say that it is in

fact destroyed. and what surfaces in its stead is the

soul or jivatman, which retains an element or

component of individuality. yet the soul is always

intrinsically connected to its substratum source in

brahman. this is the critical difference between the

illusion of bondage and reality of liberation.

June 14, 2000

My heart is blooming to read these two responses below ~ thankyou my friends.

Love,

Col

Anand Natarajan wrote:

> Om,

>

> Yes, since you yourself are That, your desire only created everything that

you now perceive. How beautiful, the silent infinite lake of light, ripples,

attaches itself to one wave and perceives its creation.

>

> Avyakthadeeni bhuthaani vyaktha madhyaani bharatha

> Avyaktha Nidhanaanyeva tatraka paridevana .

>

> Anand

namastE Frankji:

Beautiful! Truth is speaking by itself... I would like to call the

following as the Advaitic statement of the month. Thank you for being

*there*...

Yours,

Madhava

> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:42:29 f maiello wrote:

>

> >postulate: life is a product of brahman's desire.

June 14, 2000

Hari Om Coletteji:

First, our sincere thanks to Frankji, the cause for

those blooming responses.

The ocean and the Brahman stay in silence,

They witness waves and lives rise and fall,

They enjoy peace and desire silence,

This is the Truth and rest are illusions!

Ram Chandran

--- Colette <colette wrote:

> My heart is blooming to read these two responses

> below ~ thankyou my friends.

June 15, 2000

Christopher Love said,