RE: does (can) jeeva and brahman simultaneously ex ist?

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1. There is only one --- that is Brahman

2. There is no awareness which stands somewhere..... Brahman *is*

awareness... Awareness is brahman.

3. I am aware of myself, and nobody needs to prove it to me. I know I am.

But this *I* is limited because I know only the things I came to know

directly or indirectly through my five sense organs. Brahman is TOTAL

awareness, which is beyond the perception.

4. Jiva knows that he is Brahman... It is just like a sleeping person knows

that he is a waker, because of which he can wake up!

5. when does a sleeping person wake-up? If you knew the answer this

question then you will automatically understand the answer to another

intricate question "when does the awareness that he is Brahman comes to the

Jiva, so that he can become a Brahmajnani?"

 

I remain yours,

Madhava

 

 

LBIDD [LBIDD]

Saturday, July 01, 2000 6:00 AM

advaitin

Re: does (can) jeeva and brahman simultaneously exist?

 

 

Greetings everyone, I'm a sometime lurker and I apologize for

resurrecting an old thread but this question has everything I'm

interested in. I believe the question is can jiva and Brahman

simultaneously exist in awareness. I'm not exactly sure what jiva is. Is

it the living body, a particular erroneous belief, or something else? a

false perspective perhaps. What about Brahman? Is Brahman awareness or

something unspeakable? If so, where does awareness stand? Is there

awareness _of_ Brahman or Brahman-awareness or something else? Do we

have any statements from jivanmukti concerning this question? Is there

jiva for jivanmukti to be aware of? Can they also at the same time be

aware of Brahman?

 

Sorry for so many questions. Your discussions are always most

interesting.

 

best regards, Larry Biddinger

 

 

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Hi!

This is an interesting intellectual question for which there is always

different intellectual answers. However, Jeevanmukta and Brahman are

like the taster of the nectar and the nectar itself. Once the nectar is

tasted, the Jeeva becomes the Jeevanmukta and it can tell everyone to

taste the wonderfully sweet nectar. But the taste itself is not the

nectar. Nor the taster is the nectar.

This may raise some eyebrows, since some of us might have come across,

sat with, or blessed by Jeevanmuktas of different kinds with different

needs. To say those Jeevanmuktas are not the same as or co-resident with

Brahman may not be palatable. But then the palatability is for the mind

and not for the heart.

If the Jeevanmukta tastes the nectar repeatedly, begins to drink it and

submerges in it most of the time then the Jeevanmukta will be

nectar-like, spreading sweetness, fragrance, and Grace to everyone who

comes and does not come to him/her.

-- Vis