Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 Hari Om! I always read with interest postings of Sri Ramesh Balsekar. This one raised some confusion in me. I invite comments/suggestions. >"Manuel V. Hernandez" <wealthnow >A NET of JEWELS-daily meditations for seekers of Truth RAMESH S. BALSEKAR >July 6 >Every moment he thinks and acts as an individual entity locks man deeper in >the double-bind of self-consciousness wherein the very thought of >spontaneous living prevents it. And any positive effort to control the >mind >or let go of oneself always only strengthens the ego. Mind cannot be used >to control mind. It says "Mind cannot be used to control mind" ! So what else equipment we have to control it then? I thought to sublimate un-wanted egoistic thoughts, we need to employ noble and selfless thoughts. And it is essentially using "higher"-mind (if we can call higher) to get out of the clutches of "lower"-mind. We can only use waking state to prepare for sleep-what else can be done? With regards -Srinivas ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 Namaste, Gita III:42, 43 has this to say: indriyaaNi paraaNyaahuH indriyebhyaH paraM manaH . manasastu paraa buddhiH yo buddheH paratastu saH .. The senses are said [by the wise] to be superior [to the body], the mind superior to the senses, the reason superior to the mind, and the Self [the Witness] superior to the intellect. evaM buddheH paraM buddhvaa sa.nstabhyaatmaanamaatmanaa . jahi shatruM mahaabaaho kaamaruupa.n duraasadam.h .. Thus knowing That which is superior to the reason, subduing the self by the self, slay thou, O mighty-armed, the enemy in the form of desire, hard to conquer. The quotation referred to may have this context. This also echoes the famous metaphor of the chariot of the body, &c. from the Katha Upanishad. Regards, s. >"Srinivas Nagulapalli" <snagul >advaitin >advaitin , ANetofJewels >Re: A Net of Jewels July 6 >Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:25:00 PDT > > >Hari Om! >I always read with interest postings of Sri Ramesh Balsekar. >This one raised some confusion in me. I invite comments/suggestions. > > >"Manuel V. Hernandez" <wealthnow > > >A NET of JEWELS-daily meditations for seekers of Truth RAMESH S. BALSEKAR > >July 6 > > >Every moment he thinks and acts as an individual entity locks man deeper >in > >the double-bind of self-consciousness wherein the very thought of > >spontaneous living prevents it. And any positive effort to control the > >mind > >or let go of oneself always only strengthens the ego. Mind cannot be >used > >to control mind. > >It says "Mind cannot be used to control mind" ! So what else equipment >we have to control it then? I thought to sublimate un-wanted egoistic >thoughts, we need to employ noble and selfless thoughts. And it is >essentially using "higher"-mind (if we can call higher) to get out >of the clutches of "lower"-mind. We can only use waking state to >prepare for sleep-what else can be done? >With regards >-Srinivas > >______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 Namaste, Gita VI:35 offers this solution: asa.nshayaM mahaabaaho mano durnigraha.n chalam.h . abhyaasena tu kaunteya vairaagyeNa cha gR^ihyate .. The mind is no doubt difficult to control, O mighty-armed [Arjuna] ! It can indeed be done through practice and dispassion, O son of Kunti! ["Practice consists in constantly repeating the same idea or thought regarding some one object of thought.Dispassion means freedom from desire for any pleasures seen or unseen, attained through a constant perception of evil in them. It is by practice and dispassion that vikshepa, the passage of thought in the direction of external objects, can be restrained. It is thus that the mind is restrained." Shankara Gita Bhashya Regards, s. >Ram Chandran <ramvchandran >advaitin >advaitin >Re: A Net of Jewels July 6 >Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:22:11 -0700 (PDT) > > >"Is mind capable to control the mind?" ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 Hari Om Nagu: "Is mind capable to control the mind?" is a challenging puzzle for the intellect! The puzzle is created by the egoistic mind which claims that it controls everything including itself! This expression of uncontrollable arrogance demonstrates that it is impossible for such a mind to control itself. Mind without ego is not recognizable and there is nothing left to control and persons with no mind never mind. The key is to conduct actions sponteneously so that thoughts are removed during the action. Mind is nothing but the collection of thoughts and the path of Karma Yoga (spontaneous action without focusing on the fruits)can prevent creation of thoughts! Mind can also be considered the residue of any action and spontaneous actions will leave zero residues! regards, Ram Chandran --- Srinivas Nagulapalli <snagul wrote: > > Hari Om! > I always read with interest postings of Sri Ramesh > Balsekar. > This one raised some confusion in me. I invite > comments/suggestions. > > >"Manuel V. Hernandez" <wealthnow > > >A NET of JEWELS-daily meditations for seekers of > Truth RAMESH S. BALSEKAR > >July 6 > > >Every moment he thinks and acts as an individual > entity locks man deeper in > >the double-bind of self-consciousness wherein the > very thought of > >spontaneous living prevents it. And any positive > effort to control the > >mind > >or let go of oneself always only strengthens the > ego. Mind cannot be used > >to control mind. > > It says "Mind cannot be used to control mind" ! So > what else equipment > we have to control it then? I thought to sublimate > un-wanted egoistic > thoughts, we need to employ noble and selfless > thoughts. And it is > essentially using "higher"-mind (if we can call > higher) to get out > of the clutches of "lower"-mind. We can only use > waking state to > prepare for sleep-what else can be done? > With regards > -Srinivas > > ______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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