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ANetofJewels , "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepc@b...>

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Hi Sri,

 

-

Srinivas Nagulapalli <snagul@h...>

<advaitin >; <ANetofJewels >

Thursday, July 06, 2000 09:55 PM

[ANetofJewels] Re: A Net of Jewels July 6

 

>

> Hari Om!

> I always read with interest postings of Sri Ramesh Balsekar.

> This one raised some confusion in me. I invite comments/suggestions.

>

> >"Manuel V. Hernandez" <wealthnow@h...>

>

> >A NET of JEWELS-daily meditations for seekers of Truth RAMESH S.

BALSEKAR

> >July 6

>

> >Every moment he thinks and acts as an individual entity locks man

deeper

in

> >the double-bind of self-consciousness wherein the very thought of

> >spontaneous living prevents it. And any positive effort to

control the

> >mind

> >or let go of oneself always only strengthens the ego. Mind cannot

be

used

> >to control mind.

>

> It says "Mind cannot be used to control mind" ! So what else

equipment

> we have to control it then?

 

 

Is it a question of control?

Is the "controller" anything else but the very mind that is sougth to

be

controled?

 

> I thought to sublimate un-wanted egoistic

> thoughts, we need to employ noble and selfless thoughts.

 

The un-wanted egoistic thoughts are you.

The noble and selfless thoughts are you.

 

Without thoughts, where is the "thinker"?

 

The issue is not about replacement one set of thoughts with another,

with

your particular conditioning judging which set is higher, which is

lower.

 

The issue is to "see" that ALL thoughts are conceptual, phenomenal

and can

only remain within the midst of the conceptual known.

 

For example Sri, can you "think" of the unknown?

Whatever you "think" can only be part of your known which is nothing

but

your innate conditioning.

 

And that "seeing" may occur in the biological computer labelled "Sri".

"Sri" cannot make it happen.

> And it is > essentially using "higher"-mind (if we can call higher)

to get

out

> of the clutches of "lower"-mind.

 

The "higher mind" is as much a concept as the "lower mind".

 

 

>We can only use waking state to

> prepare for sleep-

 

Is that so?

 

In fact it is the very opposite.

The very attempts to try and sleep are the very obstacles for sleep to

arrive.

It is when you relax into doing nothing that one can actually sleep.

 

In any case it was a question, of awakening not going to sleep.LOL

>what else can be done?

 

To see that indeed nothing can be done.

And as I said earlier even this "seeing" is not a consequence of Sri's

efforts.

 

Cheers

 

 

Sandeep

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ANetofJewels , "Jessica" <ellam-ondre@h...> wrote:

Dear Srinivas,

 

And yet Ramana Maharshi said use the mind to annhialate the mind. One

thorn

to remove another and then both are to be discarded. He also

advocated that

unless one has the karma to be in the presence of a Sage or sadhu,

one needs

to practice some form of sadhana to quiet the mind, such as self-

enquiry,

pranayama, etc; all sadhanas aiming to quiet the mind.

It's funny Srinivas, i do not resonate with everything that Ramesh

Balsekar

says as it APPEARS to be in conflict (at times) with what other

Realized

ones have said and yet it is in the midst of so many Rameshers that

Source

has placed for now. It doesn't matter if it is in daily living,

interacting

with others, reading some of the posts here or reading Ramesh.

Awareness has

shown that it's at the point where thought ( some thoughts being a

greater

stimulus than others) is stimulated in me, that there is a reminder

to turn

within and not react (to the appearance) which after all is only

another

image or concept appearing on the screen of Consciousness.

It is at the point of reaction, the greater the reaction - ego looming

larger/ what I AM not - stands out; is right there. Hence the

greater the

opportunity for (witnessing) the dropping of one more layer of that

which I

Am not.

 

With warmest regards and love,

jessica

 

-

"Srinivas Nagulapalli" <snagul@h...>

<advaitin >; <ANetofJewels >

Thursday, July 06, 2000 9:25 AM

[ANetofJewels] Re: A Net of Jewels July 6

 

>

> Hari Om!

> I always read with interest postings of Sri Ramesh Balsekar.

> This one raised some confusion in me. I invite comments/suggestions.

>

> >"Manuel V. Hernandez" <wealthnow@h...>

>

> >A NET of JEWELS-daily meditations for seekers of Truth RAMESH S.

BALSEKAR

> >July 6

>

> >Every moment he thinks and acts as an individual entity locks man

deeper

in

> >the double-bind of self-consciousness wherein the very thought of

> >spontaneous living prevents it. And any positive effort to

control the

> >mind

> >or let go of oneself always only strengthens the ego. Mind cannot

be

used

> >to control mind.

>

> It says "Mind cannot be used to control mind" ! So what else

equipment

> we have to control it then? I thought to sublimate un-wanted

egoistic

> thoughts, we need to employ noble and selfless thoughts. And it is

> essentially using "higher"-mind (if we can call higher) to get out

> of the clutches of "lower"-mind. We can only use waking state to

> prepare for sleep-what else can be done?

> With regards

> -Srinivas

>

>

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