Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 ANetofJewels , "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepc@b...> wrote: Hi Sri, - Srinivas Nagulapalli <snagul@h...> <advaitin >; <ANetofJewels > Thursday, July 06, 2000 09:55 PM [ANetofJewels] Re: A Net of Jewels July 6 > > Hari Om! > I always read with interest postings of Sri Ramesh Balsekar. > This one raised some confusion in me. I invite comments/suggestions. > > >"Manuel V. Hernandez" <wealthnow@h...> > > >A NET of JEWELS-daily meditations for seekers of Truth RAMESH S. BALSEKAR > >July 6 > > >Every moment he thinks and acts as an individual entity locks man deeper in > >the double-bind of self-consciousness wherein the very thought of > >spontaneous living prevents it. And any positive effort to control the > >mind > >or let go of oneself always only strengthens the ego. Mind cannot be used > >to control mind. > > It says "Mind cannot be used to control mind" ! So what else equipment > we have to control it then? Is it a question of control? Is the "controller" anything else but the very mind that is sougth to be controled? > I thought to sublimate un-wanted egoistic > thoughts, we need to employ noble and selfless thoughts. The un-wanted egoistic thoughts are you. The noble and selfless thoughts are you. Without thoughts, where is the "thinker"? The issue is not about replacement one set of thoughts with another, with your particular conditioning judging which set is higher, which is lower. The issue is to "see" that ALL thoughts are conceptual, phenomenal and can only remain within the midst of the conceptual known. For example Sri, can you "think" of the unknown? Whatever you "think" can only be part of your known which is nothing but your innate conditioning. And that "seeing" may occur in the biological computer labelled "Sri". "Sri" cannot make it happen. > And it is > essentially using "higher"-mind (if we can call higher) to get out > of the clutches of "lower"-mind. The "higher mind" is as much a concept as the "lower mind". >We can only use waking state to > prepare for sleep- Is that so? In fact it is the very opposite. The very attempts to try and sleep are the very obstacles for sleep to arrive. It is when you relax into doing nothing that one can actually sleep. In any case it was a question, of awakening not going to sleep.LOL >what else can be done? To see that indeed nothing can be done. And as I said earlier even this "seeing" is not a consequence of Sri's efforts. Cheers Sandeep --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 ANetofJewels , "Jessica" <ellam-ondre@h...> wrote: Dear Srinivas, And yet Ramana Maharshi said use the mind to annhialate the mind. One thorn to remove another and then both are to be discarded. He also advocated that unless one has the karma to be in the presence of a Sage or sadhu, one needs to practice some form of sadhana to quiet the mind, such as self- enquiry, pranayama, etc; all sadhanas aiming to quiet the mind. It's funny Srinivas, i do not resonate with everything that Ramesh Balsekar says as it APPEARS to be in conflict (at times) with what other Realized ones have said and yet it is in the midst of so many Rameshers that Source has placed for now. It doesn't matter if it is in daily living, interacting with others, reading some of the posts here or reading Ramesh. Awareness has shown that it's at the point where thought ( some thoughts being a greater stimulus than others) is stimulated in me, that there is a reminder to turn within and not react (to the appearance) which after all is only another image or concept appearing on the screen of Consciousness. It is at the point of reaction, the greater the reaction - ego looming larger/ what I AM not - stands out; is right there. Hence the greater the opportunity for (witnessing) the dropping of one more layer of that which I Am not. With warmest regards and love, jessica - "Srinivas Nagulapalli" <snagul@h...> <advaitin >; <ANetofJewels > Thursday, July 06, 2000 9:25 AM [ANetofJewels] Re: A Net of Jewels July 6 > > Hari Om! > I always read with interest postings of Sri Ramesh Balsekar. > This one raised some confusion in me. I invite comments/suggestions. > > >"Manuel V. Hernandez" <wealthnow@h...> > > >A NET of JEWELS-daily meditations for seekers of Truth RAMESH S. BALSEKAR > >July 6 > > >Every moment he thinks and acts as an individual entity locks man deeper in > >the double-bind of self-consciousness wherein the very thought of > >spontaneous living prevents it. And any positive effort to control the > >mind > >or let go of oneself always only strengthens the ego. Mind cannot be used > >to control mind. > > It says "Mind cannot be used to control mind" ! So what else equipment > we have to control it then? I thought to sublimate un-wanted egoistic > thoughts, we need to employ noble and selfless thoughts. And it is > essentially using "higher"-mind (if we can call higher) to get out > of the clutches of "lower"-mind. We can only use waking state to > prepare for sleep-what else can be done? > With regards > -Srinivas > > ____________________ __ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > -- ---- > Who invented Gatorade -- and what part did it play in > winning the1967 Orange Bowl? Find out the true facts at > http://click./1/6212/5/_/_/_/962900705/ > -- ---- > > > ANetofJewels- > > > > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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