Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 hariH OM! the real essence of the problem that everyone *appears* to be having [or *believes* that they're having] is predicated on the fact that the truth is FAR TOO SIMPLE to apprehend with the mind. that, to begin with, there is no understanding required! yet the mind is obsessed with the idea of understanding...of a hands-on grasp of whatever it is before its perception--in this case, the nature of reality or the Self. and this is precisely where all the problems begin. whereas: the nature of the Self is simple BEING. but the mind simply refuses to believe that that's all here is. that that's all it really comes down to. and yet the strange wonderful thing about it all is, that when the mind does come down to it...that is, surrenders its obsession to understand/behold...the simple nature of WHAT IS is indeed seen to be fantastic! therefore the circle is intact. therefore to arrive at 'the fantastic,' the mind has to abandon all notions of the 'fantastic.' a paradoxic predicament. yet the entirety of the predicament is itself an illusion! thus there is no paper bag made out of dream dust that the mind has to punch its way out of. thus we come full circle: the problem is seen to exist only in the mind. yet there is no real mind, as such. so, how can there possibly be a problem?! thus the laughter of the zen idiot makes all the sense in the world. as harsha, dan and sada recently--as well as greg's article on wittgenstein--so glaringly poignantly indicated: that the primordial thing we're seeking lies beyond the mind of words and shows...resolving simply in the silence in the Heart...where it has *always* been. OM TAT SAT OM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 At 09:17 AM 7/27/00 -0400, f. maiello wrote: >hariH OM! > >the real essence of the problem that everyone *appears* >to be having [or *believes* that they're having] is >predicated on the fact that the truth is FAR TOO SIMPLE >to apprehend with the mind. that, to begin with, there >is no understanding required! yet the mind is obsessed >with the idea of understanding...of a hands-on grasp of >whatever it is before its perception--in this case, the >nature of reality or the Self. and this is precisely >where all the problems begin. .... Yes -- the Self comprehends the mind, in the sense of embracing and being the substratum of the mind. Therefore, the mind cannot comprehend that which comprehends the mind! OM! --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 Namaste, For those with an inclination for mathematics-logic-proof, &c. a bibliography on Godel's Incompleteness Theorem is extra-ordinarily fascinating. Regards, s. >Gregory Goode <goode >advaitin >advaitin , advaitin >Re: the mind's obsession >Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:04:40 -0400 > >At 09:17 AM 7/27/00 -0400, f. maiello wrote: > > > >hariH OM! > > > >the real essence of the problem that everyone *appears* > >to be having [or *believes* that they're having] is > >predicated on the fact that the truth is FAR TOO SIMPLE > >to apprehend with the mind. that, to begin with, there > >is no understanding required! yet the mind is obsessed > >with the idea of understanding...of a hands-on grasp of > >whatever it is before its perception--in this case, the > >nature of reality or the Self. and this is precisely > >where all the problems begin. > >... > >Yes -- the Self comprehends the mind, in the sense of embracing and being >the substratum of the mind. Therefore, the mind cannot comprehend that >which comprehends the mind! > >OM! > >--Greg ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 Thank you Frank! Resonations: Knowing enough, not to try to know "more". Where is the mind, the separate knower, when there is nothing that knower is "for"? If BEING = KNOWING, "this" is enough. Who has ever stated THIS "correctly"? Blessed BE ... At 09:17 AM 7/27/00 -0400, you wrote: >hariH OM! > >the real essence of the problem that everyone *appears* >to be having [or *believes* that they're having] is >predicated on the fact that the truth is FAR TOO SIMPLE >to apprehend with the mind. that, to begin with, there >is no understanding required! yet the mind is obsessed >with the idea of understanding...of a hands-on grasp of >whatever it is before its perception--in this case, the >nature of reality or the Self. and this is precisely >where all the problems begin. > >whereas: the nature of the Self is simple BEING. > >but the mind simply refuses to believe that that's all >here is. that that's all it really comes down to. > >and yet the strange wonderful thing about it all is, that >when the mind does come down to it...that is, surrenders >its obsession to understand/behold...the simple nature of >WHAT IS is indeed seen to be fantastic! therefore the >circle is intact. therefore to arrive at 'the fantastic,' >the mind has to abandon all notions of the 'fantastic.' >a paradoxic predicament. yet the entirety of the >predicament is itself an illusion! thus there is no paper >bag made out of dream dust that the mind has to punch its >way out of. > >thus we come full circle: the problem is seen to exist >only in the mind. yet there is no real mind, as such. >so, how can there possibly be a problem?! > >thus the laughter of the zen idiot makes all the sense in >the world. > >as harsha, dan and sada recently--as well as greg's article >on wittgenstein--so glaringly poignantly indicated: that >the primordial thing we're seeking lies beyond the mind of >words and shows...resolving simply in the silence in the >Heart...where it has *always* been. > >OM TAT SAT OM > > > >Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To from the list, send Email to <advaitin- > For other contact, Email to <advaitins > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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