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hariH OM!

 

the real essence of the problem that everyone *appears*

to be having [or *believes* that they're having] is

predicated on the fact that the truth is FAR TOO SIMPLE

to apprehend with the mind. that, to begin with, there

is no understanding required! yet the mind is obsessed

with the idea of understanding...of a hands-on grasp of

whatever it is before its perception--in this case, the

nature of reality or the Self. and this is precisely

where all the problems begin.

 

whereas: the nature of the Self is simple BEING.

 

but the mind simply refuses to believe that that's all

here is. that that's all it really comes down to.

 

and yet the strange wonderful thing about it all is, that

when the mind does come down to it...that is, surrenders

its obsession to understand/behold...the simple nature of

WHAT IS is indeed seen to be fantastic! therefore the

circle is intact. therefore to arrive at 'the fantastic,'

the mind has to abandon all notions of the 'fantastic.'

a paradoxic predicament. yet the entirety of the

predicament is itself an illusion! thus there is no paper

bag made out of dream dust that the mind has to punch its

way out of.

 

thus we come full circle: the problem is seen to exist

only in the mind. yet there is no real mind, as such.

so, how can there possibly be a problem?!

 

thus the laughter of the zen idiot makes all the sense in

the world.

 

as harsha, dan and sada recently--as well as greg's article

on wittgenstein--so glaringly poignantly indicated: that

the primordial thing we're seeking lies beyond the mind of

words and shows...resolving simply in the silence in the

Heart...where it has *always* been.

 

OM TAT SAT OM

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At 09:17 AM 7/27/00 -0400, f. maiello wrote:

 

>hariH OM!

>

>the real essence of the problem that everyone *appears*

>to be having [or *believes* that they're having] is

>predicated on the fact that the truth is FAR TOO SIMPLE

>to apprehend with the mind. that, to begin with, there

>is no understanding required! yet the mind is obsessed

>with the idea of understanding...of a hands-on grasp of

>whatever it is before its perception--in this case, the

>nature of reality or the Self. and this is precisely

>where all the problems begin.

 

....

 

Yes -- the Self comprehends the mind, in the sense of embracing and being

the substratum of the mind. Therefore, the mind cannot comprehend that

which comprehends the mind!

 

OM!

 

--Greg

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Namaste,

 

For those with an inclination for mathematics-logic-proof, &c. a

bibliography on Godel's Incompleteness Theorem is extra-ordinarily

fascinating.

 

Regards,

 

s.

 

>Gregory Goode <goode

>advaitin

>advaitin , advaitin

>Re: the mind's obsession

>Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:04:40 -0400

>

>At 09:17 AM 7/27/00 -0400, f. maiello wrote:

>

>

> >hariH OM!

> >

> >the real essence of the problem that everyone *appears*

> >to be having [or *believes* that they're having] is

> >predicated on the fact that the truth is FAR TOO SIMPLE

> >to apprehend with the mind. that, to begin with, there

> >is no understanding required! yet the mind is obsessed

> >with the idea of understanding...of a hands-on grasp of

> >whatever it is before its perception--in this case, the

> >nature of reality or the Self. and this is precisely

> >where all the problems begin.

>

>...

>

>Yes -- the Self comprehends the mind, in the sense of embracing and being

>the substratum of the mind. Therefore, the mind cannot comprehend that

>which comprehends the mind!

>

>OM!

>

>--Greg

 

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Thank you Frank!

 

Resonations:

 

Knowing enough, not to try

to know "more".

Where is the mind,

the separate knower, when

there is nothing that

knower is "for"?

 

If BEING = KNOWING,

"this" is enough.

 

Who has ever stated

THIS "correctly"?

 

Blessed BE ...

 

 

 

At 09:17 AM 7/27/00 -0400, you wrote:

>hariH OM!

>

>the real essence of the problem that everyone *appears*

>to be having [or *believes* that they're having] is

>predicated on the fact that the truth is FAR TOO SIMPLE

>to apprehend with the mind. that, to begin with, there

>is no understanding required! yet the mind is obsessed

>with the idea of understanding...of a hands-on grasp of

>whatever it is before its perception--in this case, the

>nature of reality or the Self. and this is precisely

>where all the problems begin.

>

>whereas: the nature of the Self is simple BEING.

>

>but the mind simply refuses to believe that that's all

>here is. that that's all it really comes down to.

>

>and yet the strange wonderful thing about it all is, that

>when the mind does come down to it...that is, surrenders

>its obsession to understand/behold...the simple nature of

>WHAT IS is indeed seen to be fantastic! therefore the

>circle is intact. therefore to arrive at 'the fantastic,'

>the mind has to abandon all notions of the 'fantastic.'

>a paradoxic predicament. yet the entirety of the

>predicament is itself an illusion! thus there is no paper

>bag made out of dream dust that the mind has to punch its

>way out of.

>

>thus we come full circle: the problem is seen to exist

>only in the mind. yet there is no real mind, as such.

>so, how can there possibly be a problem?!

>

>thus the laughter of the zen idiot makes all the sense in

>the world.

>

>as harsha, dan and sada recently--as well as greg's article

>on wittgenstein--so glaringly poignantly indicated: that

>the primordial thing we're seeking lies beyond the mind of

>words and shows...resolving simply in the silence in the

>Heart...where it has *always* been.

>

>OM TAT SAT OM

>

>

>

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