Guest guest Posted August 8, 2000 Report Share Posted August 8, 2000 Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote: > [...] Devotional practices are not > inconsistent with Jnana. How could they be? > The great Sages have also been great devotees. absolutely! such an important point! > Both Sri Shankra's works and life and Sri Ramana's life > reflect that and their devotional hymns to the Goddess and Arunachala > respectively are well known. If I recall, under the gaze of the Sage of > Arunachala, once Ganpati Muni composed a 1000 songs on Uma within a few > hours. umasahasram was considered the muni's magnum opus. it was 1000 verses written actually in 20 days in the presence of sri bhagavan steeped in samadhi. the composition and meter are of such magnitude as to be the product of [what i believe] is a siddhi possessed by ganapati, especially inspired in the presence of his guru and giving praise to uma for bestowing him with the grace of her son ramana [as dakshinamurthi/arunachala siva]. as some may know, it was also sri ganapati who gave the name ramana maharishi to the then locally identified 'brahmanaswami' whose family name was venkataraman iyer. see p 123 BHAGAVAN AND NAYANA (1st edition c1983) yes, if one finds oneself confused by modern teachers, then i would suggest approaching the pure teachings of sri ramana with an open mind and heart...as there are really no equals. *of course this is my opinion.* mahapremtvamasi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2000 Report Share Posted August 9, 2000 ----Original Message----- Greg Goode [goode] Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:31 PM advaitin ; advaitin Dennis/Harsha/OOoops, forgot to finish Indeed, many people find direct Path kinds of teachings too dry and intellectual. I know several people who decided again to take up mantras, devotional practices, and other approaches because for them, some element seemed missing in the direct path teachings. Love, --Greg Thank you for sharing Greg-Ji. As usual, you offer profound insights and go to the heart of the matter. Let me offer a quick follow up on your last paragraph as it appears to suggest a subtle hierarchy (which is probably unintended) between Devotion and Jnana. Devotional practices are not inconsistent with Jnana. How could they be? The great Sages have also been great devotees. Both Sri Shankra's works and life and Sri Ramana's life reflect that and their devotional hymns to the Goddess and Arunachala respectively are well known. If I recall, under the gaze of the Sage of Arunachala, once Ganpati Muni composed a 1000 songs on Uma within a few hours. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2000 Report Share Posted August 9, 2000 Hi Harsha-ji, This is correct, Harsha-ji, no hierarchy intended! No inconsistency at all! In fact, devotion and jnana are like two blades of a pair of scissors, which, working together, snip samsara at its root. I'm glad you brought this up - some people (even non-dualism teachers) do draw a rigid distinction between these approaches, this kind of distinction can get "in the air." It can be a sticky point, because some of these teachers say that no other methods are necessary, in fact that they say they are harmful. In fact, in their zeal for the intellectual jnana teachings and their own views, these teachers unthinkingly recommend the satsang-attendees to give up all other practices. They say that other practices strengthen the notion of a separate doer and ego. Some of these teachers do, however, accept devotion when directed towards themselves... :-) Love, --Greg At 02:21 PM 8/9/00 -0400, Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote: >>>> ----Original Message----- Greg Goode [goode] Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:31 PM advaitin ; advaitin Dennis/Harsha/OOoops, forgot to finish Indeed, many people find direct Path kinds of teachings too dry and intellectual. I know several people who decided again to take up mantras, devotional practices, and other approaches because for them, some element seemed missing in the direct path teachings. Love, --Greg Thank you for sharing Greg-Ji. As usual, you offer profound insights and go to the heart of the matter. Let me offer a quick follow up on your last paragraph as it appears to suggest a subtle hierarchy (which is probably unintended) between Devotion and Jnana. Devotional practices are not inconsistent with Jnana. How could they be? The great Sages have also been great devotees. Both Sri Shankra's works and life and Sri Ramana's life reflect that and their devotional hymns to the Goddess and Arunachala respectively are well known. If I recall, under the gaze of the Sage of Arunachala, once Ganpati Muni composed a 1000 songs on Uma within a few hours. Love to all Harsha ---------- <http://click./1/7747/6/_/489436/_/965845286/> ---------- Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/>http://www.eScribe.com/culture/adv aitin/ To from the list, send Email to <advaitin- > For other contact, Email to <advaitins <<<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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