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The original sentence from our Katha upanishad is: "utthiSTa jAgrata

prApyavarAnnibOdhata" literally being translated it says "arise, awake stop

not till the goal is reached"

 

JAgrata does also mean "be very careful". A person who is careful only is

awaken, a person who is half awake can not be deemed as careful.

 

One has to "arise" from his bad tendencies, which drag him from reaching the

highest goal. Once he arises from the surface of the BhulOka, where we all

humans dwell, and rockets towards brahmalOka, i.e. OM sweet HOME, then there

is a chance that he may over estimates his own capacity thinking that he has

crossed the limitations of Human! He may wrongly consider himself as a

maharshi or a rajarshi, he may mistake himself as somebody higher and put a

holier-than-thou attitude. These are all lower tendencies which may attack

the Sadhaka in the disguise of genuine virtues. One has to be very careful

from these tendencies. We have examples from our epics. Vishwamitra,

Soubhari, Jadabharata and others who have reached great heights through

their rigorous penance, yet fallen miserably for something or the other. So

one has to be very careful, fully awake, till he reaches his goal.

 

Even by mistake one should not apply mundane logic in understanding these

sentences. One of my friends has asked me "One can arise only when one is

awake, how is it possible to arise and then awake?", actually a person who

is a sleepwalker may arise, but still he is not awake :-). No! One should

understand that the awaken state, referred by this great upanishadic

statement intends something higher. The statement is addressed to the

Person who is already awake, it is instructing "even by mistake do not think

that you are immune from the tendencies of this world, the tendencies of the

five sense organs. Be very careful (awake) and keep marching till you reach

the goal.

 

I remain yours,

Madhava

 

 

 

 

 

UDAYAKIRAN_C [udayakiran_c]

Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:59 AM

'Ramakrishna '

[ramakrishna] A doubt

 

 

Although it looks a bit silly, I just wanted to seek info about this..

 

I have seen a quote in three forms:

 

Awake, Arise, Stop not till *you reach your goal*

 

Awake, Arise, Stop not till *the goal is reached*

 

*Arise, Awake*, Stop not till the goal is reached

 

Although the meaning is conveyed by all, which of these was given by Swami

Vivekananda?

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Uday<(*¿*)>

"Let Noble thoughts come to us from all directions."

-Rig Veda

 

 

 

 

Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

Vivekananda Centre London

http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

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Namaste,

 

Another interpretation is: Katha Up.an. I:3:xiv

 

uttishhThata = arise

jaagrata = awake

praapya = approaching

varaan = the best of teachers

nibodhata = understand

[shankara - quoted by Radhakrishnan in The Principal Upanishads.]

 

[sw. V. reportedly said the last sentence. He was not prone to

translate literally; when asked about such variations by his brother

disciples, he would say, that is how his Master Ramakrishna made him

say it.]

 

This may be better understood in the context of the Gita verse II:69 :

 

yaa nishaa sarvabhuutaanaa.n tasyaa.n jaagarti sa.nyamii .

yasyaa.n jaagrati bhuutaani saa nishaa pashyato muneH ..

 

That which is night to all beings, in that the self-controlled one is

awake. That in which all beings wake, is night to the Self-seeing

sage.

 

Thus the admonition is: Get up and be awake to the Supreme Reality

realised by the sages.

 

Regards,

 

s.

 

 

-- In advaitin , "Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava@m...>

wrote:

> The original sentence from our Katha upanishad is: "utthiSTa jAgrata

> prApyavarAnnibOdhata" literally being translated it says "arise,

awake stop

> not till the goal is reached"

>

> JAgrata does also mean "be very careful". >

> I remain yours,

> Madhava

>

>

>

>

>

> UDAYAKIRAN_C [udayakiran_c@i...]

> Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:59 AM

> 'Ramakrishna '

> [ramakrishna] A doubt

>

>

> Although it looks a bit silly, I just wanted to seek info about

this..

>

> I have seen a quote in three forms:

>

> Awake, Arise, Stop not till *you reach your goal*

>

> Awake, Arise, Stop not till *the goal is reached*

>

> *Arise, Awake*, Stop not till the goal is reached

>

> Although the meaning is conveyed by all, which of these was given

by Swami

> Vivekananda?

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Uday<(*¿*)>

> "Let Noble thoughts come to us from all directions."

> -Rig Veda

>

>

>

>

> Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah

> Vivekananda Centre London

> http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

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Thank you Sundari-ji. That is quite informative. Thank you once again.

 

Yours,

Madhava

 

 

sunder hattangadi [sunderh]

Saturday, August 19, 2000 5:29 PM

advaitin

Re: [ramakrishna] A doubt

 

 

Namaste,

 

Another interpretation is: Katha Up.an. I:3:xiv

 

uttishhThata = arise

jaagrata = awake

praapya = approaching

varaan = the best of teachers

nibodhata = understand

[shankara - quoted by Radhakrishnan in The Principal Upanishads.]

 

[sw. V. reportedly said the last sentence. He was not prone to

translate literally; when asked about such variations by his brother

disciples, he would say, that is how his Master Ramakrishna made him

say it.]

 

This may be better understood in the context of the Gita verse II:69 :

 

yaa nishaa sarvabhuutaanaa.n tasyaa.n jaagarti sa.nyamii .

yasyaa.n jaagrati bhuutaani saa nishaa pashyato muneH ..

 

That which is night to all beings, in that the self-controlled one is

awake. That in which all beings wake, is night to the Self-seeing

sage.

 

Thus the admonition is: Get up and be awake to the Supreme Reality

realised by the sages.

 

Regards,

 

s.

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Namaste,

 

I am tempted to offer some 'free association' concerning this

verse. The second line of this verse is :

 

kshurasya dhaara nishitaa duratyayaa

durgaM pathastatkavayo vadanti ..

 

Sharp as the edge of a razor and hard to cross, difficult to tread is

that path, so sages declare.

 

The Razor's Edge is the famous novel [and movie] by Somerset Maugham,

describing the 'search' of a seeker/aspirant, set in Tibet but

inspired by his meeting with Ramana Maharshi.

 

Here is the account of that meeting:[from Talks With Ramana Maharshi,

5th ed.,1972; Publ. Ramanashram. p517, # 550.

 

" Somerset Maugham, a well-known English author, was on a visit to

Sri Bhagavan. He also went to se Maj. Chadwick in his room and there

he suddenly became unconscious. Maj. Chadwick requested Sri Bhagavan

to see him. Sri Bhagavan went into the room took a seat and gazed on

Mr. Maugham. He regained his senses and saluted Sri Bhagavan. They

remained silent and sat facing each other for nearly an hour. The

author attempted to ask questions but did not speak. Maj. Chadwick

encouraged him to ask. Sri Bhagavan said, 'All finished. Heart-talk

is all talk. All talk must end in silence only.' They smiled and Sri

Bhagavan left the room. "

 

 

Regards,

 

s.

 

>

>

> sunder hattangadi [sunderh@h...]

> Saturday, August 19, 2000 5:29 PM

> advaitin

> Re: [ramakrishna] A doubt

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> Another interpretation is: Katha Up.an. I:3:xiv

>

> uttishhThata = arise

> jaagrata = awake

> praapya = approaching

> varaan = the best of teachers

> nibodhata = understand

> [shankara - quoted by Radhakrishnan in The Principal Upanishads.]

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