Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 Dear friends I wish to report to you a site for Vedic Psychophysics. http://homes.acmecity.com/friends/harmonica/301 I hope you enjoy reading. Best regards Bhadraiah Mallampalli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2000 Report Share Posted September 20, 2000 namastE Bhadraiah-garu, Just visited the site you have been authoring. That is a memorable endeavor you have undertaken! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. In your article on Vedas you have written: "------- What do Vedas contain? The Vedas are recorded in an ancient version of Sanskrit language as poetry and prose. An example of Vedic poetry is, This, even this was my resolve, to win a cow, to win a steed : Have I not drunk of Soma juice? (Rg Veda X.CXIX.1) ----" I believe, the ancient version of Sanskrit language, in which Vedas are written , is called "Chanda". Also: "---------- Modern Vedic Psychophysics The first effort towards a modern interpretation of Vedas was made by Mr. Kondamudi Hanumatchastry (address in India unknown) in 1981, when he discussed medical benefits of a meditation mentioned in the 'Prana Sukta' chapter of Atharva Veda. Mr. Hanumatchastry's topic is outlined under Q&A 'Hamsa & Soham mantras' ----" Please refer to Sri Eluripati Anamtaramayya, Retd. Principal, Sanskrit College, Guntur. Sri Anamtarammagaru is a great scholar in Sanskrit. He has written many well acclaimed commentaries and very well known in Andhra Pradesh. I believe he was a colleague to Sri Kondamudi Hanumat Sastrygaru, he would give you more information. I remain yours, Madhava > > milliondollarbet [milliondollarbet] > Wednesday, September 20, 2000 6:47 AM > advaitin > Hi tech interpretations of Vedas > > Dear friends > > I wish to report to you a site for Vedic Psychophysics. > > http://homes.acmecity.com/friends/harmonica/301 > > I hope you enjoy reading. > > Best regards > Bhadraiah Mallampalli > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2000 Report Share Posted September 20, 2000 Hari Om Sri Bhadraiah Mallampalli: Namaskar, Welcome to the list and thanks for bringing the information about your homepage on "The Vaidxi Shcool of Thought in modern Psychophysics." Congratulations to you for a well organized homepage with interesting and useful commentary. The presentation of Vedic materials in the modern context of high technology is quite relevant. To help the readers of this list, I have provided contents from your front page. You have demonstrated your keen interest in Vedas and Advaita in the homepage and we invite you to present the philosophical materials in a series of articles. Such a presentation will be beneficial to you and also to the members of this list in enhancing and clarifying our thoughts and knowledge. While posting the materials, please provide appropriate references (if because it will greatly help all of us to focus our attention on the subject matter during the discussions. We are looking forward to your active participation and contribution, warmest regards, Ram Chandran ============================================ The Front Page of the site: http://homes.acmecity.com/friends/harmonica/301 ============================================= The Vaidix School of Thought in Modern Vedic Psychophysics - The Operating System for the Brain - A Complete Theory of Mind - A smRti for the Vaidix Age What is new? (Sep 19, 2000) What is Vaidix General Public License? Techies' Route (and for those who are not familiar with Vedic jargon). A word of Caution about Techies' Route Introduction to Vedas and Vedic Literature History of Vedic Interpretation Modern (Contemporary) Psychophysics Modern Vedic Psychophysics Philosophical and Pathological Origins of Speech Seven fold Sama and Vedic Concept of Breathing Cycle Derivatives of Knowledge and Logical Origins of Vedic Symbols Traditional Route (for traditional Vedic scholars and other Indologists ...) Vaidix for Novices ... and a guide for most of us The V - Theory of Human Nature: Modern Vedic Psychophysics Instant Veda: Vedic Concept of Breathing Cycle Core Veda: Components of Knowledge - The Known, The Unknown and The Desirable(To be updated with Neuro-Fuzzy concepts) Components of Knowledge & Neuro-Fuzzy Rulesets Vedic Philosophy Just Veda: Logical Origins of Speech - The Glory of the Past and a Bundle of Problems. (Coming soon! All you wanted to know about Speech, agni and Veda) The vedic somA Explained: The Brain Tissue in the Gut & the Two Brain Theory (Coming soon!) Derivation of Sevenfold sAma from Components of Knowledge (With Neuro-Fuzzy reasoning). Industrial Strength Veda: Derivatives of Knowledge - Logical Origins of Gods, Priests and Seers. Veda by Example: Agnihotra - Speech, an Imitation of Gods. Consecration: agni & viSNu: Evidence of Embryonic Psychology in aitareya brAhmaNa. Vedic Etymology of syllables ... Ka, tvam ... Vaidix Financials: Vedic gods and stock market mechanics. Q&A, Discussions, Postings Hot Topics (NEW) About Vaidix, and other topics of general interest ... General Info About This Site Resume of Bhadraiah Mallampalli Links to Related Sites Any comments?Vaidix This is a non-profit site meant for advancing research in the field of Vedas and Vedangas. Most of the materials at this site are covered by a Vaidix General Public Licence. It may also contain materials, references, or links to information or sites which may fall under different copyright laws; such reference is meant for research purpose only; no infringement, endorsement, or name dropping is intended. If you are less than 18 years of age, you may need parental or teacher's permission. This site may contain untested ideas based on superstitions, beliefs, experiences and speculations. Use at your own risk. "Vaidix GPL or Vaidix Copyright:" Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2000 Report Share Posted September 20, 2000 namastE mAdhav gAru Thanks for the correction about Chandas. I also read in aitareya brAhmaNa that the "ancient" sAdhyA gods are another name for chandas. But there are various forms of chandas such gAyatri, virAj etc. I am planning to look into that subject. I have a ton of stuff to write already. Hopefully we will find someone who lives closer to the great scholars Hanumatchastry garu and Anantaramayya garu. Approaching such venerable people and encouraging them to publish, finding a market for their books etc is not easy. I will write a mail to Sri Anantaramayya garu. Please feel free to print and distribute my materials to any one interested. Thanks to internet I have been able to publish, and now I am on some kind of Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, looking for Vedic scholars. I believe this is a subject one should give the prime years of life, instead of taking up in old age. We need many thousands of young educated students to take up this work. Message boards are nice, but at some point in future please consider recording your final conclusions on a web page, and we can all link to each other to make a big network, and bring in more people. Let us include other systems like dvaita also because afterall, dvaita is only one step behind advaita. We can sort out our problems when we reach that stage, Why argue now? Remember, if people belonging to dvaita, sAnkhya are really serious they must also explain the new findings from Veda such as Sevenfold sAma according to their theology. They can't just say their theology is just limited to what their founders like Ramanuja propounded. For example, I am going to prove that Adi Sankara did not know certain interpretation of certain portions of Veda, because of which we lost 1600 years or more depending on his date of birth. Let us stick to the original philosophies such as advaita because they can not be changed, but we must use them to explain other portions of Vedas instead of just saying "Vedas allure people to desires, so we will only chat advaita which is the easiest thing to do". I wrote to many organizations named after many scholars and modern rishis but they are all busy publishing and selling their passed-away founders' works but they dont care about new developments. More later. Best regards Bhadraiah Mallampalli advaitin , "Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava@m...> wrote: > namastE Bhadraiah-garu, > > Just visited the site you have been authoring. That is a memorable endeavor > you have undertaken! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. > > In your article on Vedas you have written: > > "------- > What do Vedas contain? > > The Vedas are recorded in an ancient version of Sanskrit language as poetry > and prose. An example of Vedic poetry is, > > This, even this was my resolve, to win a cow, to win a steed : Have I not > drunk of Soma juice? (Rg Veda X.CXIX.1) ----" > > I believe, the ancient version of Sanskrit language, in which Vedas are > written , is called "Chanda". > > Also: > "---------- > Modern Vedic Psychophysics > > The first effort towards a modern interpretation of Vedas was made by Mr. > Kondamudi Hanumatchastry (address in India unknown) in 1981, when he > discussed medical benefits of a meditation mentioned in the 'Prana Sukta' > chapter of Atharva Veda. Mr. Hanumatchastry's topic is outlined under Q&A > 'Hamsa & Soham mantras' ----" > > Please refer to Sri Eluripati Anamtaramayya, Retd. Principal, Sanskrit > College, Guntur. Sri Anamtarammagaru is a great scholar in Sanskrit. He has > written many well acclaimed commentaries and very well known in Andhra > Pradesh. I believe he was a colleague to Sri Kondamudi Hanumat Sastrygaru, > he would give you more information. > > I remain yours, > Madhava > > > > > milliondollarbet@e... [milliondollarbet@e...] > > Wednesday, September 20, 2000 6:47 AM > > advaitin > > Hi tech interpretations of Vedas > > > > Dear friends > > > > I wish to report to you a site for Vedic Psychophysics. > > > > http://homes.acmecity.com/friends/harmonica/301 > > > > I hope you enjoy reading. > > > > Best regards > > Bhadraiah Mallampalli > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2000 Report Share Posted September 20, 2000 vaNakkam Ramachandran garu I love to give references, but I am not a trained academic, so I miss out many. Please question me sharply if you need any reference or you dont agree with something. This subject has to be developed only by sharp and pointed discussions. Please send me a mail to vaidix for a quick reply. My references are mostly what you get from Ramakrishna Ashram, chAndogyA, bRhadarNyaka, mANDUkya, aitareya and tairrirIya upanishads. I do not use other smaller upanishads. I also use RgVeda brAhmaNAs like aitareya, kausItaki. I have bought many more but no time to read. The last para about copyright is incomplete. "Vaidix GPL or Vaidix Copyright:" Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed." http://homes.acmecity.com/friends/harmonica/301/copyrite.html The materials can be freely copied or sold by those who respect by Vedas. No one can change the copy right rules, but any one can change the content of the article itsefl! That way we encourage creativity. If you see some better idea in meditation, you can add it in the article, or correct what I wrote, and republish as your own. I hate to see knowledge locked up copy rights and trade marks. There are multi-million dollar groups in search of copy rights on Vedas, but we will win. My lead in the subject is now unbeatable. If any one can beat me, I will surrender entire site, and handover the password! Good work was done in preserving the Vedas, and teaching of spirituality in the last 150 years. But we neglected Vedas by saying they are mere rituals. That was just a cover up of our ignorance. It is also a failure of not being able to apply theories like advaita, dvaita etc to Vedas. I can not bear to see thousands of educated students not knowing this science. You are welcome to copy Vaidxi materials to any message board if that is not offending to any one. (There are some that attack other people's opinions about caste system, kundalini etc. It may not be politically wise to copy them.) You may want to copy one at a time so that people can discuss each topic thoroughly. With best regards Bhadraiah Mallampalli advaitin , Ram Chandran <ramvchandran> wrote: > Hari Om Sri Bhadraiah Mallampalli: > > Namaskar, > > Welcome to the list and thanks for bringing the > information about your homepage on "The Vaidxi Shcool > of Thought in modern Psychophysics." Congratulations > to you for a well organized homepage with interesting > and useful commentary. > > The presentation of Vedic materials in the modern > context of high technology is quite relevant. To help > the readers of this list, I have provided contents > from your front page. > > You have demonstrated your keen interest in Vedas and > Advaita in the homepage and we invite you to present > the philosophical materials in a series of articles. > Such a presentation will be beneficial to you and also > to the members of this list in enhancing and > clarifying our thoughts and knowledge. While posting > the materials, please provide appropriate references > (if because it will greatly help all of us to focus > our attention on the subject matter during the > discussions. > > We are looking forward to your active participation > and contribution, > > warmest regards, > > Ram Chandran > > ============================================ > The Front Page of the site: > http://homes.acmecity.com/friends/harmonica/301 > ============================================= > > The Vaidix School of Thought in Modern Vedic > Psychophysics > - The Operating System for the Brain > - A Complete Theory of Mind > - A smRti for the Vaidix Age > > What is new? (Sep 19, 2000) > What is Vaidix General Public License? > Techies' Route (and for those who are not familiar > with Vedic jargon). > > A word of Caution about Techies' Route > Introduction to Vedas and Vedic Literature > History of Vedic Interpretation > Modern (Contemporary) Psychophysics > Modern Vedic Psychophysics > Philosophical and Pathological Origins of Speech > Seven fold Sama and Vedic Concept of Breathing Cycle > Derivatives of Knowledge and Logical Origins of Vedic > Symbols > > Traditional Route (for traditional Vedic scholars and > other Indologists ...) > > Vaidix for Novices ... and a guide for most of us > The V - Theory of Human Nature: Modern Vedic > Psychophysics > Instant Veda: Vedic Concept of Breathing Cycle > Core Veda: Components of Knowledge - The Known, The > Unknown and The Desirable(To be updated with > Neuro-Fuzzy concepts) > Components of Knowledge & Neuro-Fuzzy Rulesets > Vedic Philosophy > Just Veda: Logical Origins of Speech - The Glory of > the Past and a Bundle of Problems. (Coming soon! All > you wanted to know about Speech, agni and Veda) > The vedic somA Explained: The Brain Tissue in the Gut > & the Two Brain Theory (Coming soon!) > Derivation of Sevenfold sAma from Components of > Knowledge (With Neuro-Fuzzy reasoning). > Industrial Strength Veda: Derivatives of Knowledge - > Logical Origins of Gods, Priests and Seers. > Veda by Example: Agnihotra - Speech, an Imitation of > Gods. > Consecration: agni & viSNu: Evidence of Embryonic > Psychology in aitareya brAhmaNa. > Vedic Etymology of syllables ... Ka, tvam ... > Vaidix Financials: Vedic gods and stock market > mechanics. > Q&A, Discussions, Postings > Hot Topics (NEW) > > About Vaidix, and other topics of general interest ... > > General Info About This Site > Resume of Bhadraiah Mallampalli > Links to Related Sites > > Any comments?Vaidix@h... > > This is a non-profit site meant for advancing research > in the field of Vedas and Vedangas. Most of the > materials at this site are covered by a Vaidix General > Public Licence. It may also contain materials, > references, or links to information or sites which may > fall under different copyright laws; such reference is > meant for research purpose only; no infringement, > endorsement, or name dropping is intended. If you are > less than 18 years of age, you may need parental or > teacher's permission. This site may contain untested > ideas based on superstitions, beliefs, experiences and > speculations. Use at your own risk. > > "Vaidix GPL or Vaidix Copyright:" > Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim > copies of this license document, but changing it is > not allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 > milliondollarbet [milliondollarbet] > For > example, I am going to prove that Adi Sankara did not know certain > interpretation of certain portions of Veda, because of which we lost > 1600 years or more depending on his date of birth. Let us stick to > the > original philosophies such as advaita because they can not be > changed, > but we must use them to explain other portions of Vedas instead of > just saying "Vedas allure people to desires, so we will only chat > advaita which is the easiest thing to do". I wrote to many > organizations named after many scholars and modern rishis but they > are > all busy publishing and selling their passed-away founders' works but > they dont care about new developments. Dear Bhadhraiah-garu, namastE! Why am I finding it difficult to digest your words! While I respect your views, please let me make it clear to you that in this list we hold Sri Adi Sankara with utmost respect as an authoritative commentator on Vedas. "Shankara Vijaya" gives us a glimpse of that great master's life. We know that he mastered all the vedas by the age of 9! And by the age of 11 he had bewildered, even the greatest vedic intellectuals of that age, with his power of understanding of Veda. With out his grace, I think advaita would have been deliberately hidden below the blankets by intellectuals. He is a visionary, a revolutionary incomparable! Where there is respect --- for our Elders, for our Seers and for our Vedas --- there the knowledge flourishes. We better seek their grace! You said, you are going to prove that Sri Shankara did not know the interpretation of certain portion of vedas. This is not acceptable. I don't think Sri Shankara left out any portion from veda which could have given a chance for him to prove more of his theory. I would say "nothing can be proven more". You need not touch all the grains to test whether they are cooked or not. In telugu they say: "annamaMtA uDikiMdO lEdO cooDaTAniki annamaMtA pisiki cooDanakkarlEdu". If you find some thing in Veda which is not commented upon by Sri Shankara, then THANK HIM for leaving it to you. THANK HIM for leaving that job to you and start writing commentary, start showing to the world which that great master intentionally ignored so that his followers can comment! Actually it is the question of our attitude. I hope you remember Sri Potana "Bhagawata", in that book while writing the foreword Sri Potana, before attempting to translate Bhagawata in to Telugu, says "mat purAkRUta bhAgyameTTidO ---" He says: "How lucky I am! All those great poets have translated Ramayana, Bharata and other great books, but left this wonderful Bhagawata to me. *THOUGH* they are capable of doing the translation, their intention is to *BLESS* me by offering this work. I shall bow down my head at their feet, touching their feet I shall proclaim "THANK YOU SIRS! for leaving it to me, SURE I SHALL NOT LET YOU DOWN!"... This is an attitude which one has to follow while approaching the work of great Seers. Potana Bhagawata is widely read and quoted by many folks, it has become a memorable piece of work, only because of his humble approach towards the work. Let us learn from them! Please don't say that Sri Adi Shankara *did* not know! If I were you I wouldn't dare say that, because it is tantamount to disrespect them... Please forgive me if my tone was a bit harsh in saying these words... But I respect your knowledge, how wonderful it would be if a beautiful flower also gives out a nice fragrance! Thank you. I remain yours, Madhava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 Hari Om Madhavaji: Namaskar, I strongly support the sentiments expressed by you forcefully and coherently. I very much like your final conclusive statement which is beautiful with a nice frarance without any thorns! warmest regards, Ram Chandran RE: Re: Hi tech interpretations of Vedas Madhava K. Turumella writes > .... how wonderful it would be if a beautiful > flower also gives out a nice fragrance! ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 Dear Turumella Madhava garu I enjoyed reading your comments and reminding me about kavi Potana. I readily accept my error. Now this. My thought process is entirely trained by Adi Sankara, and I can depend on his invisible guidance at every turn of the mind. Also according to mANDUkya commentaries, every external object is reducible to a concept of that object in ones own mind. Now considering this, Adi Sankara as a guru can be reduced to a concept in my own mind, and this concept is represented by a group of neurons in my own mind. In that case, how can I disrespect Adi Sankara without disrespecting a chunk of my own neurons? If do that either my logic falters or my meditation falters or both. Now please read this about failure of advaita as a useful concept in life. http://www.andrewcohen.org/out/uncond_6.html The situation in India is not any different, specific events and wording may be different. I don't even get sleep. The logic of advaita as we know, and its jargon are prone to misuse. I like to face any religious establishment and become a sAkalya than to let advaita to continue to be in such a miserable state. There will be no change to the core philosophy, but the curriculum will change. I don't think the "establishments" will accept this, but my efforts will not be lacking. The situation needs a dUrvAsA. There will be times when I will continue to be rude, and that is the only way to move things. Adi Sankara's exposition of Advaita was eternal, but many aspects of his writings were tuned to his times when he used to argue with Buddhists and other schools of thought. Adi Sankara had accomplished a great mission in his short life; and if he had lived longer we would have many more volumes of his analysis on other portions of Veda. Sankara did not get a chance to follow up on asparsa yoga. gauDapAda says in his treatise, that in asparsa yoga, yogis see fear, where there is really fearlessness. Nobody bothered about it in 1200 years. I will explain how it can be derived from etymology. This one is only for experts, because it is needs a lot of stamina even to attempt. There are many other easy meditations that can be directly derived from veda using advaita concepts, which can be practiced by common people, to get all the benefits of prANAyAmAs without any complicated knowledge of vedas and advaita. Many of them improve body's metabolism and increase intelligence. There is also a need to combine all approaches such as advaita, dvaita etc into one approach, not with the purpose of dissolving them, but to help their followers redevelop their own approaches using the new findings of the combined approach. Now tell me, if I don't challenge them at the risk of facing the music later, will any one agree to even think of "re-developing" their subjects? Remember what you said: "…start writing commentary, start showing to the world which that great master intentionally ignored so that his followers can comment…" Can we get the same response from others? How soon? With warmest regards Bhadraiah Mallampalli (Technical hint: Never resize the window while editing a "post" or "reply", because you lose all that you entered, and you have to start all over again.) advaitin , "Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava@m...> wrote: > > milliondollarbet@e... [milliondollarbet@e...] > > > For > > example, I am going to prove that Adi Sankara did not know certain > > interpretation of certain portions of Veda, because of which we lost > > 1600 years or more depending on his date of birth. Let us stick to > > the > > original philosophies such as advaita because they can not be > > changed, > > but we must use them to explain other portions of Vedas instead of > > just saying "Vedas allure people to desires, so we will only chat > > advaita which is the easiest thing to do". I wrote to many > > organizations named after many scholars and modern rishis but they > > are > > all busy publishing and selling their passed-away founders' works but > > they dont care about new developments. > > Dear Bhadhraiah-garu, > > namastE! > > Why am I finding it difficult to digest your words! > > While I respect your views, please let me make it clear to you that in this > list we hold Sri Adi Sankara with utmost respect as an authoritative > commentator on Vedas. "Shankara Vijaya" gives us a glimpse of that great > master's life. We know that he mastered all the vedas by the age of 9! And > by the age of 11 he had bewildered, even the greatest vedic intellectuals of > that age, with his power of understanding of Veda. With out his grace, I > think advaita would have been deliberately hidden below the blankets by > intellectuals. He is a visionary, a revolutionary incomparable! > > Where there is respect --- for our Elders, for our Seers and for our Vedas > --- there the knowledge flourishes. We better seek their grace! You said, > you are going to prove that Sri Shankara did not know the interpretation of > certain portion of vedas. This is not acceptable. I don't think Sri > Shankara left out any portion from veda which could have given a chance for > him to prove more of his theory. I would say "nothing can be proven more". > You need not touch all the grains to test whether they are cooked or not. > In telugu they say: "annamaMtA uDikiMdO lEdO cooDaTAniki annamaMtA pisiki > cooDanakkarlEdu". > > If you find some thing in Veda which is not commented upon by Sri Shankara, > then THANK HIM for leaving it to you. THANK HIM for leaving that job to you > and start writing commentary, start showing to the world which that great > master intentionally ignored so that his followers can comment! > > Actually it is the question of our attitude. I hope you remember Sri Potana > "Bhagawata", in that book while writing the foreword Sri Potana, before > attempting to translate Bhagawata in to Telugu, says "mat purAkRUta > bhAgyameTTidO ---" He says: "How lucky I am! All those great poets have > translated Ramayana, Bharata and other great books, but left this wonderful > Bhagawata to me. *THOUGH* they are capable of doing the translation, their > intention is to *BLESS* me by offering this work. I shall bow down my head > at their feet, touching their feet I shall proclaim "THANK YOU SIRS! for > leaving it to me, SURE I SHALL NOT LET YOU DOWN!"... This is an attitude > which one has to follow while approaching the work of great Seers. Potana > Bhagawata is widely read and quoted by many folks, it has become a memorable > piece of work, only because of his humble approach towards the work. Let us > learn from them! > > Please don't say that Sri Adi Shankara *did* not know! If I were you I > wouldn't dare say that, because it is tantamount to disrespect them... > Please forgive me if my tone was a bit harsh in saying these words... But I > respect your knowledge, how wonderful it would be if a beautiful flower also > gives out a nice fragrance! Thank you. > > I remain yours, > Madhava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2000 Report Share Posted September 22, 2000 Hi! What Adi Shankara achieved in a very short life no one else has duplicated. Why not first acknowledge his greatness first before trying to "become" better than him? This approach of what is known, no matter from what source, is not good enough because "I" have a better intellect, is the typical mind-based scientific approach which is not conducive to Subjective Excellence and revelations. Instead of "becoming" better than why not complement Adi Shankara's original work, if there is the capacity! -- Vis <For example, I am going to prove that Adi Sankara did not know certain <interpretation of certain portions of Veda, because of which we lost <1600 years or more depending on his date of birth. <-- Bhadraiah Mallampalli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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