Guest guest Posted October 10, 2000 Report Share Posted October 10, 2000 Following words not in Glossary: - (N.B. Until I print off an updated version of the Glossary, there is a danger I will repeat words flagged up earlier.) mithuniikaraNam (pra)vR^itti (a)vikaaraH upasaMhaaraH paapa janma vaidika jaraa vyaadhi athaato pramaataa anthaH(karaNam) puruushhaH strii vR^iddaH upaadhii aha~nkaara mamakaara ashvattha guNa sochaami idam vastu suunyam shataduushanii vyabhicaara Comments on content: - You say that samsaara is a result of adhyaasa and go on to say that all types of action are due to adhyaasa alone. I may well have forgotten something (actually quite a lot!) of what has gone before but I seem to have lost the thread here. If all actions result from adhyaasa alone, isn’t this the same as saying that, without adhyaasa, there would be no action? But surely the sage still eats, moves about etc. even though he now knows he is not the doer (and acts without thought of any fruit). Do you mean that it is as a result of adhyaasa that we think we are the doer? You then go on to say that actions produce fruits which, in turn, result in rebirth. Here you seem to be saying that adhyaasa directly leads to reincarnation but this is not a topic of the Brahmasuutra introduction is it? General – again excellent. It has occurred to me to attempt to make a transcription of the whole of this introduction, in my own words (omitting practically all of the Sanskrit terms except the most fundamental) but following Sadananda’s text closely, with his examples. I don’t know how long this would take. I would like to take account of the comments that have been made as well to cover points of (my) misunderstanding. Would this be ok with you, Sada-guru? Naturally I would post the material if I complete it. Perhaps this would enable some others who have not attempted to keep up to try again. It really is too good an opportunity to miss! Hope you are having a useful and enjoyable visit to India if you receive this, Sadananda. Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2000 Report Share Posted October 10, 2000 Namaste, Thank you very much, Dennis. I think it will be easier for everyone if I give the meanings with each list in the reply, wait for editing/correction by Sadaji & others, and add these to the glossary later. Regards, s. advaitin , "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote: > Following words not in Glossary: - > > (N.B. Until I print off an updated version of the Glossary, there is a > danger I will repeat words flagged up earlier.) > > mithunii + karaNam = mixing, bringing together > (pra)vR^itti = wish to act > (a)vikaaraH = (without) change > upasaMhaaraH = subduing; concluding > paapa = sin > janma = birth > vaidika = relating to Veda scriptures > jaraa = old age > vyaadhi = sickness > athaato[atha + ataH]= now therefore > pramaataa = one who has the correct idea > anthaH(karaNam) = inner [organs of action,viz. mind,intellect ego, unconscious] > puruushhaH = the embodied being;individual or Supreme Spirit > strii = woman > vR^iddaH [vR^iddhaH] = old, aged, elderly > upaadhii = adjunct > aha~nkaara = ego > mamakaara = mine-ness > ashvattha [a=not;shva=tomorrow ttha=endures] = ever-changing; also, name of a species of trees, held sacred by the Hindus. > guNa = mode of Nature[cf. sattva,rajas,tamas]; rope > sochaami [?shochaami] = I grieve > idam = this [objectified world]. Nominative singular of 'ayam'. > vastu = thing, matter, substance > suunyam [?shuunyam] = nothingness, void, nihil, zero > shataduushanii = one-hundred defects [N. of works] [?Nii] > vyabhicaara = deviant action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2000 Report Share Posted October 10, 2000 Dennis wrote: Comments on content: - > >You say that samsaara is a result of adhyaasa and go on to say that all >types of action are due to adhyaasa alone. I may well have forgotten >something (actually quite a lot!) of what has gone before but I seem to >have lost the thread here. If all actions result from adhyaasa alone, isn’t >this the same as saying that, without adhyaasa, there would be no action? >But surely the sage still eats, moves about etc. even though he now knows >he >is not the doer (and acts without thought of any fruit). Do you mean that >it >is as a result of adhyaasa that we think we are the doer? Yes. adhyaasa is an error and error is in the mind. It is taking the anaatma as aatma or not-self as self. Hence actions at the level of not-self are superimposed on the self and take one self as an actor. Hence all transactions or vyavahaara are adhyaasa, if one takes himself as vyavahaarii or transactor. A sage is one who has realized that he is aatma and anaatma is only a superficial entity. He has no more notions that he is the transactor. All transactions occur in his presence but he himself is beyond all transactions. Krishna says in B.G. III-27 PrakR^ite kriyamaaNaani guNaiH karmaaNi sarvashH| Ahamkaara vimuuDhaatmaa karta~hamiti manyataH|| All actions are being done by prakR^iti by its qualities. However an ignorant person due to delusion feels that he is the doer. Hence a realized person will not feel that. Without adhyaasa there will not be any selfish actions. Whatever actions that are required will be done by prakR^iti – just as pumping of the heart, digestive system functioning etc. There is no ‘ego’ or doer ship involved in those actions. Similarly a realized master operates. ‘They are all in me but I am not in them’ – says KrishNa. Just as gold saying I am in all ornaments but I am not in them in the sense their notions that they are the names and forms, qualities, with date of birth etc., belong to only names and forms and not to the gold. Yet the names and forms and vyavahaara involving the names and forms will go on. > >You then go on to say that actions produce fruits which, in turn, result in >rebirth. Here you seem to be saying that adhyaasa directly leads to >reincarnation but this is not a topic of the Brahmasuutra introduction is >it? No that is not the topic of Brahmasuutra introduction – These are all by products of adhyaasa is the point of discussion. adhyaasa leads to the notion of vyavahaara and because of that the merits and demerits etc. Whenever there is a notion of doer ship – it leads to vaasana-s and hence cause for the next life. One is caught up in the cycle of birth and death – just as one is caught up in the waking-dream-deep sleep cycles. Adhyaasa is the essence of the human problem – for the one who has caught up in the chain of birth and rebirth. It provides by analysis of the cause for human problem – and only way to get over is to inquiry into Brahman – hence Brahmasuutra. Shankara in adhyaasa bhaashhyam identifies the problem in the introduction and leads to saadhak to the inquiry. When one enters into Vedanta study there are apparent contradictions in the text – hence Brahmsuurtra provides ‘samanvaya’ or synthesis of these to present the coherent theme of the Vedanta. With adhyaasa bhaashhyam in the background one should study the sutra bhaashhya – then the samanvaya or coherency can be seen from the point of advaita. >General – again excellent. It has occurred to me to attempt to make a >transcription of the whole of this introduction, in my own words (omitting >practically all of the Sanskrit terms except the most fundamental) but >following Sadananda’s text closely, with his examples. I don’t know how >long >this would take. I would like to take account of the comments that have >been >made as well to cover points of (my) misunderstanding. Would this be ok >with >you, Sada-guru? Naturally I would post the material if I complete it. >Perhaps this would enable some others who have not attempted to keep up to >try again. It really is too good an opportunity to miss! By the by Sada gaaru – gaaru is a Telugu word similar to Sadaji. Sada-guru! Means always guru – guru means one removes the darkness or ignorance. Since I am not carrying a bright light on my head, which will give me only a headache, Sada will do the job! Of course, Dennis, by all means you can edit and condense the version. Anything that helps everybody is always good. My request is only to make sure we give proper acknowledgement to Shree Paramaarthanandaji based on whose lectures I wrote the notes. > >Hope you are having a useful and enjoyable visit to India if you receive >this, Sadananda. > >Dennis Thanks Dennis – enjoying the stay. Will be returning soon. Hari Om! Sadananda _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2000 Report Share Posted October 11, 2000 advaitin , "Kuntimaddi Sadananda" <k_sadananda@h...> wrote: > Krishna says in B.G. III-27 > PrakR^ite kriyamaaNaani guNaiH karmaaNi sarvashH| > Ahamkaara vimuuDhaatmaa karta~hamiti manyataH|| Namaste, In Itrans encoding scheme this would appear as follows: prakR^iteH kriyamaaNaani guNaiH karmaaNi sarvashaH . aha~NkaaravimuuDhaatmaa kartaahamiti manyate .. ##[kartaahamiti = kartaa + aham + iti]## [Those who would like to see this in one of the many Indian language scripts, copy-->paste this in the box at URL http://sanskrit.gde.to/web-interface/ and click on submit Regards, s. > All actions are being done by prakR^iti by its qualities. However an > ignorant person due to delusion feels that he is the doer. Hence a realized > person will not feel that. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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