Celibacy or Union

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colette wrote:

>

> If awakening is not sensual even sexual, then what is? I speak not of

> body sex but of the dance of masculine & feminine ENERGY, of eyes

> meeting the same One in animals flowers babies & children, & in each

> other loving & smiling & JOINING. This is merging. It's sexual isn't

> it? Subtle energy joins dances plays & rejoices in finding the same

> Self in all.

>

> What is the ecstasy of meeting God if not 'sexual'? It's union of

> masculine & feminine isn't it? (ENERGY). We fear sex so much as many

> were taught it was bad & sinful, yet God merges with us doesn't

> He/She? Wouldn't you call that the ultimate Union of masculine &

> feminine energies? Shiva adores Shakti & Shakti adores Shiva, & thus

> the dance of form loving formless & formless loving form is forever.

 

OM OM OM

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Hello. Dear friends I am enjoying both sides of this lovely

discussion

& read interestedly everyone's high level contributions. Thanks.

 

advaitin , "nanda chandran" <vpcnk@H...> wrote:

> In the Vivekachoodamani it is said that one who doesn't give up

sensual

> pleasures and still tries to see the Atman - is like somebody who

mistakes a

> crocodile for a tree trunk and grasps it to cross the river - he'll

be

> destroyed.

<snip>

 

I just want to share from another way too ..

 

This giving up of sensual pleasures means to me to give up the

ignorance of the lop sided view that we are relative & trying to find

God through objective science, & in each other such as in

relationship

with 'things & other'.

 

It is painfully living as the conditioned mask looking for God. It is

suffering. It's the material paradigm where consciousness is seen as

an epiphenomenon of matter.

 

Sensuality is usually a word reserved for body play & sexuality of

body mind; yet I do believe that even the joy of finding God is

infinitely more sensual (not confined to body mind or material body

mind).

>

> I wouldn't question Aurobindo, but still doubt if sex is compatible

with the

> jnAnic quest. JnAna is the quest to identify with the spirit as

against the

> body and mind. Sex only strengthens the identification of one with

body and

> mind. So how can that ever benefit the spiritual aspirant?

 

Dear One I wish to speak here. It's this word 'against'.

 

Some say that we as Spirit come here TO experience through the body

mind. The attributeless Source loves its own creation of attributes.

Absolutely loves.

 

It's All God the One (fomless & form). And it's the dance between

both

which is the greatest love story ever told (& we're living It).

 

Shiva loves Shakti & dances as the whole.

 

It's this tremendous yearning to behold the Beloved (from form & body

mind) part of this dance? Even in ignorance many yearn to find God.

Many (unfortunately believing the materialistic paradigm) just grope

around in forms through sex etc. If we just grapple around in the

dark

& shadows of form, we won't find It. Transcending form, we are

delivered & One.

 

Formless awareness (the witness Seer) then finds Self in form I

believe. This is what Frank often alludes to. It is not to shirk form

as taboo, for It Is none other that the One. It's All consciousness,

formless & form.

 

How is union of the All accomplished? I have heard it described as

the

dance of penetrating & embracing energies. Some say this is none

other

than masculine & feminine at ever subtler levels merging & finding

the

Self in All (whether inanimate or anaimate objects). Consciousness Is

everywhere in every thing. Some say this is subtle, sexual & sensual.

This is the Divine Romance. Some call this energy dance 'sexual' for

it is penetration & embracement (masculine & feminine polarities).

 

If awakening is not sensual even sexual, then what is? I speak not of

body sex but of the dance of masculine & feminine ENERGY, of eyes

meeting the same One in animals flowers babies & children, & in each

other loving & smiling & JOINING. This is merging. It's sexual isn't

it? Subtle energy joins dances plays & rejoices in finding the same

Self in all.

 

What is the ecstasy of meeting God if not 'sexual'? It's union of

masculine & feminine isn't it? (ENERGY). We fear sex so much as many

were taught it was bad & sinful, yet God merges with us doesn't

He/She? Wouldn't you call that the ultimate Union of masculine &

feminine energies? Shiva adores Shakti & Shakti adores Shiva, & thus

the dance of form loving formless & formless loving form is forever.

 

God Is Life. Life is union. Union is 'sexual' (not just body wise but

soul & spirit). seems so to some. Many feel that becoming whole means

balancing one's own masculine & feminine energies. One unites with

One's own opposites to find Self some say. If it wasn't sensual we

wouldn't be drawn to unite would we?

 

LOVE plays an essential role in this whole divine romance. Without

love there's no joy. No real union at all. No finding God without

love. Love merges. Love must be sexual too :-)!

 

I am also reading at present the What Is Enlightenment magazine which

has as it's theme 'What does it mean to be IN THE WORLD but NOT OF

IT?' & I think this question is worth exploring.

 

I would like to put out there for those who are aware & not celibate

how they see this as Being accomplshed? And whether tests continue of

becoming over engrossed at times in the world ... for I hear the

warnings from many. Is it constant vigilance or an embracement, or

both? :-) I look forward to any responses.

 

Someone once said to me that so long as we have form that there will

be tests, & maybe that is so the Dance of finding One Self in ever

subtler & subtler deeper & wider levels & joys continues.

 

What do you think?

 

Bye now,

 

Luv,

 

Colette