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>Hello, my husband Paul and I are new members of this list and so appreciate

the opportunity to be part of such wonderful dialogues. The sections of the

Gita translation was a gift we are thankful to have received.

Could anyone please tell me what is the difference between the concepts God,

Lord, the Absolute or Self? Why is God referred to as an entity such as He?(Or

She) To whom or what is one to be devoted to, to trust in, to rely on, to

surrender to? And who or what is the devotee? Why is this not duality once

again. And what is one to do about concepts in the first place? Om, Evelyn

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>"Drs. Moschetta" <evpaul

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>Re: Digest Number 771

>Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:02:24 +0000

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> >Hello, my husband Paul and I are new members of this list and so

>appreciate

>the opportunity to be part of such wonderful dialogues. The sections of the

>Gita translation was a gift we are thankful to have received.

>Could anyone please tell me what is the difference between the concepts

>God,

>Lord, the Absolute or Self? Why is God referred to as an entity such as

>He?(Or

> She) To whom or what is one to be devoted to, to trust in, to rely on, to

>surrender to? And who or what is the devotee? Why is this not duality once

>again. And what is one to do about concepts in the first place? Om, Evelyn

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WaH! You have asked the whole of Vedanta in a nutshell!

 

Welcome to advaitin list. Each of the questions you have asked requires

elaborate discussion.

 

Some of the questions in relation God will be answered when we come to

Suutra 2 in the Notes on brahmasuutra - the discussion of suutra 1 is still

going on.

 

Here are brief answers to some of your questions:

 

God and Lord are one and the same. God is a factor brought in to explain

the creation that I see - the whole universe that is in front of me. It

involves analysis to show that the universe is a creation and the cause for

this creation is the creator who is both intelligent and material cause.

Intelligent cause is that who is the locus of knowledge of creation - that

is he has the know-how of how to create, just as the pot maker should have

the know-how of how to create a pot. Unlike the pot maker who is different

from the clay (material for the pot), this creator of the universe cannot be

different from the material cause - if it is we will end-up with serious of

questions of where was that material from and who created that material etc.

One who creates a pot has the knowledge of the pot. One who creates the

entire universe with all the laws that are discovered and that are yet to be

discovered, should have complete knowledge - hence he has to be omnipotent -

the author of all the laws in the universe - hence he has the Lordship of

the entire universe - hence he is the Lord.

An unconscious entity cannot create. Hence creator has to be a conscious

entity - with supreme intelligence to create such a complex universe. Hence

is referred to as He or She or a conscious being. - Remember the Biblical

statement - I am that I am - I stand for conscious and am stands for

existent entity.

 

What is absolute? - Absolute is that which is not relative. It should be

existent entity since we cannot talk about non-existent entity. It should

be conscious entity since unconscious entity cannot be creator - it has to

be infinite entity since finite makes it a relative and not absolute, and

should be unlimited since any limitation make it relative. That which is

non-negatable or non-dismissable since that which can be negated or

dismissed becomes limited and relative. It cannot be object since object by

definition is limited and hence non-absolute. Hence it is the subject -

which is existent, conscious and unlimited - that is what is called in

Vedanta as Brahman. Brahman means infiniteness - the adjective 'big' is

transformed into a noun to coin the word Bigness or Brahman.

It is to indicate that there is nothing that it can qualify since

qualification objectifies or conditions. Hence it is unconditionally big,

hence Brahman. Since it is infiniteness it includes everything and excludes

nothing. It has to be an a-dviata or non-dual since in any duality one

limits the other and neither can be infinite. Hence absolute is one without

a second or advaita. It is beyond the concepts. Hence beyond God, Lord or

creation etc.

 

Creation exists only when I consider myself an individual, which is

different from the rest of the creation. As long as I feel that I am

limited individual - creation, creator or God or Lord or Iswara exists.

Devotion automatically arises once I as an individual recognizes that there

is a superior intellect out there that has the Lordship of the entire

universe. I become a devotee when I recognize the existence of that

intelligence that is called God or Lord etc.

 

I become j~naani or wise man when I realize that I am not the limited

individual - I am that conscious entity which is existent-conscious-

unlimited that absolute. I evolve from the state of a devotee to the state

of j~naani. That is the Advaitic State and that is the same as

self-realization.

That is realization that self in me is the self in all and I am that sat

chit and ananda that I am longing far in all my pursuits . That is the

teaching of Vedanta - tat tvam asi - you are that - aham brahma asmi - I am

that Brahman, ayam aatma brahman - this self is Brahman, praj~naanam brahma,

consciousness is brahman. etc. That is the advaita philosophy beyond any

concepts since concepts are in the mind or thoughts - this is not a thought

but is a fact.

 

I hope all your questions are answered not necessarily in the order but in

total.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

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Greetins:

 

According to Advaita, the Brahman is the ultimate

reality. God, Lord or other names and forms including

the gender is just an intellectual visualization of

the (manifested) Brahman. I recommend the following

three postings available in the list archive who WEB

SITE addresses are given below. These three have been

posted by Prof. V. Krishnamoorthy who have written

several books on Hinduism. These three will give

sufficient background materials on Advaita for the new

members of the list. The search engine at the website:

http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/ can search

articles of the list by author, keyword and thread.

 

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credit goes to all the members of this list.

 

warmest regards,

 

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Drs. Moschetta writes:

> Could anyone please tell me what is the difference

> between the concepts God, Lord, the Absolute or

Self? > Why is God referred to as an entity such as

He?

> (Or She) To whom or what is one to be devoted to,

> to trust in, to rely on, to surrender to? And who

> or what is the devotee? Why is this not duality

> once again. And what is one to do about concepts

> in the first place?

> Om, Evelyn

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Kuntimaddi Sadananda <k_sadananda wrote:

 

 

WaH! You have asked the whole of Vedanta in a nutshell!

 

 

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Dear Shri Sadananda,

 

Wah ! You have indeed, in your reply,condensed the whole of Vedanta in a

nutshell.

 

Hari Om !

 

Swaminarayan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> To whom or what is one to be devoted to, to trust in, to rely on, to

> surrender to? And who or what is the devotee? Why is this not duality once

> again. And what is one to do about concepts in the first place? Om, Evelyn

>

 

Questions such as these really overwhelm us especially when we are in despair or

when a tragedy overcomes us.

A very nice answer was given by Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi to this. A "devotee" (

I dont say what that means) of long standing of Bhagavan suddenly lost his only

son. He was enveloped in grief so much so that he doubted the presence of any

benevolent power in the world. After fighting within himself for long, he

decided to

"have it out" with the Maharshi. He went straight to Bhagavan's presence and in

full tension blurted out,

'What is God?" Bhagavan looked at him with full compassion and gently replied, "

What IS , is God !'.

 

Regards,

 

Anand

 

 

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