Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 The gita is wonderful! I have read and heard quite a bit from various sources (though nowhere near so much as some of the learned members!) and I would have liked to have been participating in these discussions but Sadananda's notes on the BSB have been keeping me quite busy in the time available. However Ram's comments - he said lots of good things about action and the need to act in the 'right' way, i.e. in the spirit of sacrifice - trigger me to throw in one observation. For me, one of the most profound observations and one to which I frequently have mental recourse is Ch. 5 Verse 8-9. I know you haven't reached Ch. 5 yet but here it is: - naiva ki~ncitkaromIti yukto manyeta tattvavit.h . pashya~nshR^iNvanspR^isha~njighrannashnangacchhansvapa~nshvasan.h .. pralapanvisR^ijangR^ihNannunmishhannimishhannapi . indriyANIndriyArtheshhu vartanta iti dhArayan.h .. Settled in the Self, the knower of truth should think, in truth I do nothing at all. Though seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, going, sleeping, breathing, speaking, letting go, seizing, opening and closing the eyes, being convinced it is only the senses moving amongst the sense objects. Dennis > Message: 4 > Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:35:25 -0000 > "Ram Chandran" <rchandran > Gita Satsang and Karma, Akarma and Vikarma > > This famous verse (chapter 3 verse 10) sums up the principle of > spiritual action. Individuals were created together with the principle > of Yajna, or sacrifice. The obligation to perform a duty is a call to > sacrifice. And action performed as a sacrifice becomes a divine > worship, and it shall not bind. Any action which is performed without > the spirit of sacrifice involved in it but with the selfish intention > of the fulfillment of an individual or personal motive shall bind and > bring sorrow to the individual. > > Warmest regards, > > Ram Chandran > > Note: This discussion will continue after more responses from others. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2000 Report Share Posted December 17, 2000 Greetings Dennis: I totally agree with you that "The Gita is wonderful!" You have valid points regarding time constraints of participation in both Gita Satsang and Brahma Suutra discussions. The list membership has been steadily growing (currently close to 300) and members come from varied background and interest. A sizable number of members have keen interest on Brahma Suutra (Discussion Leader - Sri Sadananda) and Gita Satsang (Discussion Leader - Sri Sunder and Sri Madhava). The list moderators want to take this opportunity to thank you for your keen interest and active participation in Brahma Suutra discussions. Members who read the essence of Gita's message of Karma will get the Yagna spirit and will be motivated to participate and contribute to Gita discussions. One of the interesting message of Gita is the following: Addictions are always detrimental to the spiritual progress of human beings, it is inevitable and consequently we should focus diverting our addiction to the divine to get rid of all addictions! The goal of this list is to force members to get addicted to the taste of Divinity through Satsang! warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin , "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote: > The gita is wonderful! I have read and heard quite a bit from > various sources ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2000 Report Share Posted December 17, 2000 > > Message: 6 > Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:33:48 -0000 > "sunder hattangadi" <sunderh > Re: Gita Satsang and Karma, Akarma and Vikarma > > > So karma ideally done can be equated with yoga; and akarma, > ideally done would equate with sanyasa. > > Krishna has skillfully pointed out that karma yoga and sanyasa > yoga yield the same fruit. > Dear Sunder, Call me a pedant but do you mean "Krishna has skillfully pointed out that karma yoga and sanyasa yoga alike yield *no* fruit"? Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2000 Report Share Posted December 17, 2000 Dear Dennis, Perfection, puurNatvam, is the fruit; if you call that *no* fruit, that is your privilege! [Maybe you prefer the Buddhist's 'shuunyatvam'; so you are still in good company!] Regards, sunder advaitin , "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote: > > > > Message: 6 > > Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:33:48 -0000 > > "sunder hattangadi" <sunderh@h...> > > Re: Gita Satsang and Karma, Akarma and Vikarma > > > > > > > So karma ideally done can be equated with yoga; and akarma, > > ideally done would equate with sanyasa. > > > > Krishna has skillfully pointed out that karma yoga and sanyasa > > yoga yield the same fruit. > > > > Dear Sunder, > > Call me a pedant but do you mean "Krishna has skillfully pointed out that > karma yoga and sanyasa > yoga alike yield *no* fruit"? > > Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2000 Report Share Posted December 17, 2000 Dear Dennis: In addition to the Sunderji's thoughtful commentary, the message of Gita is quite subtle. An Act of Kindness doesn't call for any reward (fruit)because the act itself is the reward! We should feel that we are quite fortunate to be on the 'giving end' rather than on the 'receiving end!' It is not too difficult for us to recognize that the notions: 'sacrifice' and 'sanyasa' are also illusionary! However, such notions are helpful to motivate the agent to perform the act. warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin , "sunder hattangadi" <sunderh@h...> wrote: > Dear Dennis, > > Perfection, puurNatvam, is the fruit; if you call that *no* > fruit, that is your privilege! [Maybe you prefer the > Buddhist's 'shuunyatvam'; so you are still in good company!] > > > Regards, > > sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2000 Report Share Posted December 18, 2000 Namaste, Would these be a correct classification ? Karma :- Pravriti or Nivriti Marga, depending on the doer. Vikarma :- Pravriti Marga (Leads to bondage) Akarma :- Gunaatiita, Turiya. Anand Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2000 Report Share Posted December 18, 2000 advaitin , Anand Natarajan <harihara.geo> wrote: > > Namaste, > > Would these be a correct classification ? > > Karma :- Pravriti or Nivriti Marga, depending on the > doer. > > Vikarma :- Pravriti Marga (Leads to bondage) > > Akarma :- Gunaatiita, Turiya. > > > Anand Namaste, This is how I have understood the terms: karma = pravR^itti a-karma = nivR^itti [non-performance of kaamya, nitya, naimittika duties vi-karma = nishhiddha [vipariita] forbidden acts naishh-karma = guNaatiita turiiya = absolute consciousness [none of the terms apply] Regards, s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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