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> Message: 7

> Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:33:25 -0000

> "sunder hattangadi" <sunderh

> Re: Gita Satsang and Karma, Akarma and Vikarma

>

> Dear Dennis,

>

> Perfection, puurNatvam, is the fruit; if you call that *no*

> fruit, that is your privilege! [Maybe you prefer the

> Buddhist's 'shuunyatvam'; so you are still in good company!]

>

>

> Regards,

>

> sunder

>

 

Dear Sunder,

 

Oops! Perhaps it was a mistake to start this! Surely this cannot be fruit

for the Self (who is, in any case, actionless), since He is already puurNam?

And unless all fruit is renounced by the one who thinks he is acting, there

must still be attachment and hence a failure to act correctly. As Ram said,

at the relative level we cannot avoid acting but action performed as a

sacrifice does not bind - there is effectively 'no fruit'. Right action

incurs no sanskaara. (Don't know anything about shuunyatvam, I'm afraid.)

 

Dennis

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Dear Dennis,

 

The word 'fruit' is only metaphorical, and does not really

apply to this particular process, as you rightly point out; it is

just an end result, not something one gets in return.

 

Sacrifice aimed at anything short of Self Realisation does

bind, so it has to be 'sarva-karma-phala-tyaaga' [TOTAL abandonment

of the results of action], whether the results appear to us good or

bad. The dispenser of the 'fruits' is the Self.

 

Right action does create sanskaras! They eliminate or neutralise the

effects of the bad sanskaras. It is only AFTER Self realisation i.e.

dissolution of 'egoism', that action does not bind because what it

was binding no longer exists.

 

Gita 18:12

 

anishhtam ishhTaM mishra.n cha trividha.n karmaNaH phalam.h .

bhavati atyaaginaaM pretya na ti sa.nnyaasinaa.n kvachit.h ..

 

"The fruit of action for those who have not renounced when they die,

is threefold: evil, good, and mixed. But for the renouncers there is

none whatever."

 

What advaitins call puurNatvam, the Buddhists designate as

shuunyatvam!

 

 

Regards,

 

s.

 

 

 

advaitin , "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote:

> > Message: 7

> > Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:33:25 -0000

> > "sunder hattangadi" <sunderh@h...>

> > Re: Gita Satsang and Karma, Akarma and Vikarma

> >

> > Dear Dennis,

> >

> > Perfection, puurNatvam, is the fruit; if you call that

*no*

> > fruit, that is your privilege! [Maybe you prefer the

> > Buddhist's 'shuunyatvam'; so you are still in good company!]

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > sunder

> >

>

> Dear Sunder,

>

> Oops! Perhaps it was a mistake to start this! Surely this cannot be

fruit

> for the Self (who is, in any case, actionless), since He is already

puurNam?

> And unless all fruit is renounced by the one who thinks he is

acting, there

> must still be attachment and hence a failure to act correctly. As

Ram said,

> at the relative level we cannot avoid acting but action performed

as a

> sacrifice does not bind - there is effectively 'no fruit'. Right

action

> incurs no sanskaara. (Don't know anything about shuunyatvam, I'm

afraid.)

>

> Dennis

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