Guest guest Posted December 18, 2000 Report Share Posted December 18, 2000 > Message: 7 > Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:33:25 -0000 > "sunder hattangadi" <sunderh > Re: Gita Satsang and Karma, Akarma and Vikarma > > Dear Dennis, > > Perfection, puurNatvam, is the fruit; if you call that *no* > fruit, that is your privilege! [Maybe you prefer the > Buddhist's 'shuunyatvam'; so you are still in good company!] > > > Regards, > > sunder > Dear Sunder, Oops! Perhaps it was a mistake to start this! Surely this cannot be fruit for the Self (who is, in any case, actionless), since He is already puurNam? And unless all fruit is renounced by the one who thinks he is acting, there must still be attachment and hence a failure to act correctly. As Ram said, at the relative level we cannot avoid acting but action performed as a sacrifice does not bind - there is effectively 'no fruit'. Right action incurs no sanskaara. (Don't know anything about shuunyatvam, I'm afraid.) Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2000 Report Share Posted December 18, 2000 Dear Dennis, The word 'fruit' is only metaphorical, and does not really apply to this particular process, as you rightly point out; it is just an end result, not something one gets in return. Sacrifice aimed at anything short of Self Realisation does bind, so it has to be 'sarva-karma-phala-tyaaga' [TOTAL abandonment of the results of action], whether the results appear to us good or bad. The dispenser of the 'fruits' is the Self. Right action does create sanskaras! They eliminate or neutralise the effects of the bad sanskaras. It is only AFTER Self realisation i.e. dissolution of 'egoism', that action does not bind because what it was binding no longer exists. Gita 18:12 anishhtam ishhTaM mishra.n cha trividha.n karmaNaH phalam.h . bhavati atyaaginaaM pretya na ti sa.nnyaasinaa.n kvachit.h .. "The fruit of action for those who have not renounced when they die, is threefold: evil, good, and mixed. But for the renouncers there is none whatever." What advaitins call puurNatvam, the Buddhists designate as shuunyatvam! Regards, s. advaitin , "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote: > > Message: 7 > > Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:33:25 -0000 > > "sunder hattangadi" <sunderh@h...> > > Re: Gita Satsang and Karma, Akarma and Vikarma > > > > Dear Dennis, > > > > Perfection, puurNatvam, is the fruit; if you call that *no* > > fruit, that is your privilege! [Maybe you prefer the > > Buddhist's 'shuunyatvam'; so you are still in good company!] > > > > > > Regards, > > > > sunder > > > > Dear Sunder, > > Oops! Perhaps it was a mistake to start this! Surely this cannot be fruit > for the Self (who is, in any case, actionless), since He is already puurNam? > And unless all fruit is renounced by the one who thinks he is acting, there > must still be attachment and hence a failure to act correctly. As Ram said, > at the relative level we cannot avoid acting but action performed as a > sacrifice does not bind - there is effectively 'no fruit'. Right action > incurs no sanskaara. (Don't know anything about shuunyatvam, I'm afraid.) > > Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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