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Namaste

... my speaking is always from the point of experience and not from

intellectual study... therefore sometimes my terms may not be as

lucid as some others that access this site... so please forgive if

there is a blunder.. Resting within the Self (Brahman) it is

impossible not to know that Advaita is the Truth... before knowing

about Advaita the experience was... after the experience which has

not ebbed it was pointed out that my speech and writing was the same

as the astavakra gita... that was my introduction to Advaita

Philosophy....Having now read the Astavakra gita and the

Vivekcudamani and other Advaita texts it is plain to see that they

were written out of the experience of "realisation" the sages wishing

to impart that awareness to others....

There are as many illusions of truth as there are individuals on the

planet with the exception of the Janani... within realisation there

is only One experience and One Truth... that is why only one jnani

will recognise another... for they know absolutely what the other is

speaking of... all of the study and outward practices should only

lead you to the point of further seeking out the truth of God or

Self... none of those external practices can take you to

realization... that may only be seen by the course of neti neti not

this and not this of contemplation... and in the end even that must

be surrendered... in total surrender the Self or Brahman is

revealed...

 

 

This may be of interest to others on the line....

 

from the TRIPURE RAHASYA

This first part is on dispassion -

As long as thoughts crop up, so long has the turning inward of the

mind not

been acomplished. As long as the mind is not inward, so long the

Self cannot

be realised.. Turning inward means absence of desire. How can the

mind be

fixed within if desires are not given up?

Therefore become dispasssionate and inhere as the Self. Such

inherence is

spontaneous ( no effort is needed to inhere as the Self). It is

realised

after thoughts are eliminated and investigation ceases. Recapitulate

your

state after you break off from it, and then will know all and the

significance of its being knowable and unknowable at the same

time... Thus

realising the unknowable, one abides in immortality for ever and

ever....

 

Now here is the other part which is the classifications of Jnannis:

"Those are the best who are free from all of the vasanas, and

particularly

from the least trace of that of action. If free from the fault of

mistrust

of the teachings of the master, the vasana due to desire, which is

not a

very serious obstruction to realisation, is destroyed by the

practice of

contemplation. Dispassion need not be very marked in this case. Such

people

need not repeatedly engage in the study of Scriptures or the

receiving of

instructions from the Master, but straightaway pass into meditation

and fall

into samadhi, the consummation of the highest good. They live

evermore as

Jivanmuktas (emancipated even while alive.)

Sages with subtle and clear intllect have not considered it worth

while to

eradicate their desire etc., by forcing other thoughts to take thier

place

because desires do not obstruct realisation. Therefore their desires

continue to manifest even after realisation as before it... Neither

are they

tainted by such vasanas. They are said to be emancipated and diverse-

minded.

They are also reported to be the best class of jnanis...

Rama he whose mind clings to the ignorance of the necessity of work

cannot

hope for realization even if Siva offers to instruct him. Similiarly

also

the person who has the fault of marked indifference to or

missunderstanding

of the teachings cannot attain. On the other hand, a man only

slightly

affected by these two vasanas, and much more so by desires or

ambitions,

will by repeated hearing of the holy truth, in discussion of the

same, and

contemplation on it will surely reach the goal though only with

condiderable

difficulty and after a long lapse of time. Such a sage's activities

will be

small because he is entirely engrossed in his efforts for realisation.

Note.,.- His activities will be confined to the indispensable

necessities of

life.

A sage of this class has by his long practice and rigorous

discipline

controlled his mind so well that predispositions are totally

eradicated and

the is as if dead. He belongs to the middle class in the scheme of

classification of sages and is said to be a sage without mind....

the last class and the least among the sages are those whose

practice and

discipline are not perfect enough to destroy mental predispositions.

Their

minds are still active and the sages are said to be associated with

their

minds. they are barely jnanis and not jivanmuktas as are the other

two

clesses. They appear to share the pleasures and pains of life like

any other

man and will continue to do so till the end of their lives. They

will be

emancipated after death...

Prarabdha (past karma) is totally powerless with the middle class

who have

destroyed thier minds by continued practice...

*

in all these cases, a single mind assumes different shapes to suit

the

different functions at the same time. Similarily the mind of the

best among

jnanis is only the Self and yet manifests as all withiout suffering

any

change in its eternal blissful nature as the Self. They are

therefore

many-minded...

The prdrabdha of jnanis is still active and sprouts in the mind but

only to

be burnt up by the steady flame of jnana. Pleasure or pain is due to

the

dwelling of the mind on occurrences. But if these are scorched at

their

source, how can there be pleasure or pain?

Jnanis of the highest order, however are seen to be active because

they

voluntarily bring out the vasanas from the depth of the mind and

allow them

to run out... Their action is similar to that of a father sporting

with his

child, moving its dolls, laughing at the imagined success of one

doll over

another, and appearing to griveve over the injury to another, and so

on, or

like a man showing sympathy for his neighbour on the occasion of a

gain or

loss....

The vasanas not inimical to realisation are not weeded out by the

best class

of jnanis because they cannot seek new ones to crowd out the old...

Therefore the old ones continue until they are exhausted and thus

you find

among them some highly irritable, some lustful and others pious and

dutiful,

and so on....

Now the lowest order of Jnanis still under the influence of their

minds know

that there is no truth in the objective universe.... Their samadhi

is not

different from that of the rest....

What is Samadhi? Samadhi is being aware of the Self and nothing

else....

The wise say that samadhi is the control resulting from the

application of

the experienced Truth (ie. the awareness of Self) to the practical

affairs

of life... This samadhi is only possible for jnana yogis......

 

Love and Blessings

 

from the TRIPURE RAHASYA

This first part is on dispassion -

As long as thoughts crop up, so long has the turning inward of the

mind not

been acomplished. As long as the mind is not inward, so long the

Self cannot

be realised.. Turning inward means absence of desire. How can the

mind be

fixed within if desires are not given up?

Therefore become dispasssionate and inhere as the Self. Such

inherence is

spontaneous ( no effort is needed to inhere as the Self). It is

realised

after thoughts are eliminated and investigation ceases. Recapitulate

your

state after you break off from it, and then will know all and the

significance of its being knowable and unknowable at the same

time... Thus

realising the unknowable, one abides in immortality for ever and

ever....

 

Now here is the other part which is the classifications of Jnannis:

"Those are the best who are free from all of the vasanas, and

particularly

from the least trace of that of action. If free from the fault of

mistrust

of the teachings of the master, the vasana due to desire, which is

not a

very serious obstruction to realisation, is destroyed by the

practice of

contemplation. Dispassion need not be very marked in this case. Such

people

need not repeatedly engage in the study of Scriptures or the

receiving of

instructions from the Master, but straightaway pass into meditation

and fall

into samadhi, the consummation of the highest good. They live

evermore as

Jivanmuktas (emancipated even while alive.)

Sages with subtle and clear intllect have not considered it worth

while to

eradicate their desire etc., by forcing other thoughts to take thier

place

because desires do not obstruct realisation. Therefore their desires

continue to manifest even after realisation as before it... Neither

are they

tainted by such vasanas. They are said to be emancipated and diverse-

minded.

They are also reported to be the best class of jnanis...

Rama he whose mind clings to the ignorance of the necessity of work

cannot

hope for realization even if Siva offers to instruct him. Similiarly

also

the person who has the fault of marked indifference to or

missunderstanding

of the teachings cannot attain. On the other hand, a man only

slightly

affected by these two vasanas, and much more so by desires or

ambitions,

will by repeated hearing of the holy truth, in discussion of the

same, and

contemplation on it will surely reach the goal though only with

condiderable

difficulty and after a long lapse of time. Such a sage's activities

will be

small because he is entirely engrossed in his efforts for realisation.

Note.,.- His activities will be confined to the indispensable

necessities of

life.

A sage of this class has by his long practice and rigorous

discipline

controlled his mind so well that predispositions are totally

eradicated and

the is as if dead. He belongs to the middle class in the scheme of

classification of sages and is said to be a sage without mind....

the last class and the least among the sages are those whose

practice and

discipline are not perfect enough to destroy mental predispositions.

Their

minds are still active and the sages are said to be associated with

their

minds. they are barely jnanis and not jivanmuktas as are the other

two

clesses. They appear to share the pleasures and pains of life like

any other

man and will continue to do so till the end of their lives. They

will be

emancipated after death...

Prarabdha (past karma) is totally powerless with the middle class

who have

destroyed thier minds by continued practice...

*

in all these cases, a single mind assumes different shapes to suit

the

different functions at the same time. Similarily the mind of the

best among

jnanis is only the Self and yet manifests as all withiout suffering

any

change in its eternal blissful nature as the Self. They are

therefore

many-minded...

The prdrabdha of jnanis is still active and sprouts in the mind but

only to

be burnt up by the steady flame of jnana. Pleasure or pain is due to

the

dwelling of the mind on occurrences. But if these are scorched at

their

source, how can there be pleasure or pain?

Jnanis of the highest order, however are seen to be active because

they

voluntarily bring out the vasanas from the depth of the mind and

allow them

to run out... Their action is similar to that of a father sporting

with his

child, moving its dolls, laughing at the imagined success of one

doll over

another, and appearing to griveve over the injury to another, and so

on, or

like a man showing sympathy for his neighbour on the occasion of a

gain or

loss....

The vasanas not inimical to realisation are not weeded out by the

best class

of jnanis because they cannot seek new ones to crowd out the old...

Therefore the old ones continue until they are exhausted and thus

you find

among them some highly irritable, some lustful and others pious and

dutiful,

and so on....

Now the lowest order of Jnanis still under the influence of their

minds know

that there is no truth in the objective universe.... Their samadhi

is not

different from that of the rest....

What is Samadhi? Samadhi is being aware of the Self and nothing

else....

The wise say that samadhi is the control resulting from the

application of

the experienced Truth (ie. the awareness of Self) to the practical

affairs

of life... This samadhi is only possible for jnana yogis......

 

Love and Blessings

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