Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 I am reposting the following from the advaita-l list. Previous articles are in the advaita-l archives at: (http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/index.html and may be accessed as indicated below. This list seems to be very active whereas my spare time is limited and so please accept my apologies in advance if I cannot respond promptly to all replies to messages in this series. Anand ================================================================ Having seen the first two definitions of mithyAtva (unreality), we will now study the third definition of mithyAtva that MadhusUdana deals with in the advaita-siddhi. Previous articles on the advaita-siddhi may be retrieved from the archives by searching for the key word "siddhi." These articles also include the background in nyAya that is useful in making sense out of MadhusUdana's work which is certainly one of the finest polemical treatises in the whole of Indian philosophy. Recall that the first definition of mithyAtva said that what is mithyA is characterized by "sadasadanadhikaraNatva", not being the substratum of either sat (Existence) or asat (nonexistence). And the second definition of mithyAtva said that what is mithyA (unreal) is characterized as being the counterpositive (pratiyogin) of an absolute negation in the very substratum where it (the thing that is mithyA) is cognized. The third definition that is now taken up in the advaita-siddhi simply says: GYAnanivartyatvaM vA mithyAtvam.h | Alternatively, unreality is the property of being sublated by knowledge or cognition. This is an extremely pithy definition which must only be understood by careful analysis, not just brushed off as something obvious and trivial. The definition comes from the VivaraNAchArya, PrakAshAtman. First of all, let us do a simple analysis. We know that GYAna and aGYAna are like light and darkness. aGYAna, ignorance is sublated, negated by GYAna. Further, what is aGYAna, ignorance, is also unreal. If I am ignorant of something, I have erroneous information about that thing. This erroneous information does not represent any true state of affairs. So it is false. When do I eliminate the erroneous information? Only when I have the correct information, GYAna of the thing in question. Next, let us try to analyse the definition in a deeper and technical manner using nyAya. In any philosophical debate, any definitions that you make must be unambiguous and must withstand close scrutiny by the opponent. This is especially true in the advaita-siddhi context because the opponents here happen to be led by the mAdhva exponent VyAsa-tIrtha, who in the words of contemporary mAdhva scholar BNK Sharma (if my memory serves me right), subjects all theories to "microscopic scrutiny." We'd better make sure the definition is "air-tight" with no holes whatsoever. A significant difficulty with the definition, when we take a closer look, is this. The definition should apply to ordinary cases of illusion such as the silver-in-nacre and snake-on-rope as well as the quite extra-ordinary and fantastic illusion of the world on Brahman. The cognition of the rope as rope (or nacre as nacre) ends the ordinary illusion. Now what ends the illusion of the world? Surely, Brahman cannot be cognized in the same objective way that a piece of rope or nacre is cognized. The cognition of an object, such as a rope, of the form of "this is a rope" is fundamentally different from the GYAna of Brahman or BrahmasAxAtkAra, the direct realization of Brahman. What is it that is so fundamentally different between the two types of GYAna? Let us investigate further with the help of nyAya, more specifially the tarka-saMgraha of annaMbhaTTa. tatra niShprakArakaM GYAnaM nirvikalpakam.h| saprakArakaM GYAna savikalpakam.h | An indeterminate cognition (nirvikalpaka-GYAna) is one with no attribute (prakAra). A determinate cognition (savikalpaka-GYAna) is one with an attribute (prakAra). Any savikalpaka-GYAna can be broken down into three components, as per nyAya. Or more precisely, any savikalpaka-GYAna has an objective content (viShaya) consisting of 1) a visheShya or qualificand, 2) a visheShaNa (also prakAra), ie. a qualifier, and 3) a saMsarga or relation between the qualificand and qualifier. This also corresponds roughly to the subject-predicate form of a sentence in natural language. Consider the Sanskrit sentence "nIlo ghaTaH" (the pot is blue.) Here the visheShya is "pot", the visheShaNa is "nIla" and the relation between them is that of inherence of blue color in the pot. Such a relation is called "samavAya" in nyAya. In the language of navya-nyAya, the cognition corresponding to the sentence (nIlo ghaTaH) is analysed as follows: nIlatva-avachchhinnaprakAratAnirUpita-ghaTatva-avachchhinna- visheShyatAnirUpita-samavAyatva-avachchhinna-saMsargatA- nirUpita-viShayitAshAli-GYAnam.h | An awkward English translation is: It is a cognition whose subjectness is described by the qualificandness delimited by potness, described by the qualifierness delimited by blue-ness, and described by the relation-ness delimited by inherence-ness. The naiyAyikas say that in a nirvikalpaka cognition, it is not possible to identify the visheShya, the visheShaNa, and the saMsarga, even though they may be present. This is where the advaitins part company with the naiyAyikas. The advaitins hold that in a nirvikalpaka-GYAna, only Existence (Brahman) is presented. There is no visheShya, no visheShaNa, no saMsarga. Finally now, we can be satisified that the definition of mithyAtva as "GYAnanivartyatvaM vA mithyAtvam.h" applies to ordinary illusions as well as the world-on-Brahman illusion. When an ordinary illusion such as a snake-on-rope is negated in an ordinary fashion, the cognition which negates the illusion is the savikalpaka type, "this is a rope." When the world-illusion is negated by Brahma-GYAna, this GYAna is of the nirvikalpaka type. In the next part, we will see how the opponent launches a new line of attack on the definition. Anand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 First my hearty welcome to Shree Anand Hudli to this list. I have learned a lot from his posts. Note to Anand - When I went to advaita-l acrhives, I could not locates some posts of advaita siddhi in the series. Can you check if all the series are stored. I have to look back into mine folder to see what I am missing. Hari Om! Sadananda >I am reposting the following from the advaita-l list. Previous >articles are in the advaita-l archives at: > >(http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/index.html > >and may be accessed as indicated below. This list seems to be very >active whereas my spare time is limited and so please accept my >apologies in advance if I cannot respond promptly to all replies >to messages in this series. > >Anand > -- K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 Dear Sadaji and Anandji: Namaskar, Sri Anand has been a member of this list for quite sometime, but this is his first post. It may not be possible to locate all the files on Advaita Siddhi at escribe.com because some of them are really missing (if messages reaches escribe.com when the computer is down, those messages are not posted.)Our list tracks down the missing files and repost them. If you want to locate all the files, you should go to the archives at: http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l.html But it is rather difficult to track down all the messages because there is no search facility. Here is my solution to this problem. Advaita Siddhi is quite an important document and Anand's presentation is excellent for details and rigor. Since this is good reference materials for for all advaitins, I want to request Anandji to upload all the 17 postings at the file facility at: http://www.escribe.comadvaitin/ or http://www.escribe.comadvaita The procedure is quite straight forward. Alternatively, I will be more than happy to upload them on behalf of Anandji if can kindly send the files to me. This list is quite fortunate to get the scholarly postings of Sadaji, Anandji and Vidyasankarji, Sunderji and others. warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin , "K. Sadananda" <sada@a...> wrote: > First my hearty welcome to Shree Anand Hudli to this list. I have > learned a lot from his posts. > > Note to Anand - When I went to advaita-l acrhives, I could not > locates some posts of advaita siddhi in the series. Can you check if > all the series are stored. I have to look back into mine folder to > see what I am missing. > > Hari Om! > Sadananda > > Voice (202)767-2117 > Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 Here are links to all 17 articles in the series so far: 1. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m6467.html 1.(correction) http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m6471.html 2. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m6480.html 3. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m6498.html 4. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m6499.html 5. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m6520.html 6. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m6533.html 7. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m6558.html 8. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m6576.html 9. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m6653.html 10. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m7134.html 11. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m7153.html 12. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m7186.html 13. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m7290.html 14. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m7381.html 15. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m7888.html 16. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m7931.html 17. http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m9004.html I hope the files can be uploaded to advaitin archives from these links. Anand advaitin , "Ram Chandran" <rchandran@c...> wrote: > Dear Sadaji and Anandji: > > Namaskar, > > Sri Anand has been a member of this list for quite sometime, but > this is his first post. It may not be possible to locate all the files > on Advaita Siddhi at escribe.com because some of them are really > missing (if messages reaches escribe.com when the computer is > down, those messages are not posted.)Our list tracks down the missing > files and repost them. If you want to locate all the files, you should > go to the archives at: > http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l.html > But it is rather difficult to track down all the messages because > there is no search facility. > > Here is my solution to this problem. > Advaita Siddhi is quite an important document and Anand's presentation > is excellent for details and rigor. Since this is good reference > materials for for all advaitins, I want to request Anandji to upload > all the 17 postings at the file facility at: > http://www.escribe.comadvaitin/ or > http://www.escribe.comadvaita > > The procedure is quite straight forward. Alternatively, I will be more > than happy to upload them on behalf of Anandji if can kindly send the > files to me. > > This list is quite fortunate to get the scholarly postings of Sadaji, > Anandji and Vidyasankarji, Sunderji and others. > > warmest regards, > > Ram Chandran > > advaitin , "K. Sadananda" <sada@a...> wrote: > > First my hearty welcome to Shree Anand Hudli to this list. I have > > learned a lot from his posts. > > > > Note to Anand - When I went to advaita-l acrhives, I could not > > locates some posts of advaita siddhi in the series. Can you check > if > > all the series are stored. I have to look back into mine folder to > > see what I am missing. > > > > Hari Om! > > Sadananda > > > > > Voice (202)767-2117 > > Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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