Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 advaitin , "Miguel Angel Carrasco" <macf12@t...> wrote: > Dennis wrote: > > Frank's use of the word in a different context made > > me realise yesterday that Free Will is an oxymoron. > > All willing is of the ego and where is the freedom in > > that? > > That is exactly what Nisargadatta Maharaj said: > > "In Hinduism, the very idea of free will is > non-existent, so there is no word for it. Will is > commitment, fixation, bondage." (I Am That, page 356) > > Miguel Angel Very good quote Miguel. It is by commitment and fixation that we are all here as we pray to be freed from the bondage. --jody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 sunder hattangadi [sunderh] Namaste, Stating this poetically: [Verse 21 from "sat-darshana bhaashhya", by 'K', 6th ed. 1975, Sri Ramanashram] vidheH prayatnasya cha ko.api vaadaH tayordvayormuulamajaanataa.n syaat.h . vidheH prayatnasya cha muulavastu sa~njaanataa.n naiva vidhirna yatnaH .. On Fate and Effort They are given to talk, That know not whence come forth the two. Those that know the source of both Beyond the twain are they, by Fate untouched and by Effort too. Regards, s. Beautiful verse Sunderji! Will pass it on. Love Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 hariH OM! sundarji- yes, this is *it*. which should hopefully represent for us the poetically definitive crack-end of this vicious circular debate! sri ramana stated it once similarly. note: hope you don't find it and post it, though.. it'll scare the heck outa me! :-) namaskaar, frank _____________________________ sunder hattangadi wrote: > > Namaste, > > Stating this poetically: > [Verse 21 from "sat-darshana bhaashhya", by 'K', 6th ed. 1975, Sri > Ramanashram] > > vidheH prayatnasya cha ko.api vaadaH > tayordvayormuulamajaanataa.n syaat.h . > vidheH prayatnasya cha muulavastu > sa~njaanataa.n naiva vidhirna yatnaH .. > > On Fate and Effort They are given to talk, > That know not whence come forth the two. > Those that know the source of both > Beyond the twain are they, by Fate untouched and by Effort too. > > Regards, > > s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 advaitin , f maiello <egodust@d...> wrote: > hariH OM! sundarji- > > yes, this is *it*. > which should hopefully represent for us the poetically > definitive crack-end of this vicious circular debate! > > sri ramana stated it once similarly. > > note: hope you don't find it and post it, though.. > it'll scare the heck outa me! :-) > > namaskaar, > frank > > _____________________________ > > sunder hattangadi wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Stating this poetically: > > [Verse 21 from "sat-darshana bhaashhya", by 'K', 6th ed. 1975, Sri > > Ramanashram] > > > > vidheH prayatnasya cha ko.api vaadaH > > tayordvayormuulamajaanataa.n syaat.h . > > vidheH prayatnasya cha muulavastu > > sa~njaanataa.n naiva vidhirna yatnaH .. > > > > On Fate and Effort They are given to talk, > > That know not whence come forth the two. > > Those that know the source of both > > Beyond the twain are they, by Fate untouched and by Effort too. > > > > Regards, > > > > s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 One Tibetan lama put it like this to someone who believed in free will: "You are forced by karma to believe in free will." Namaste, --Greg At 09:51 PM 1/18/01 -0000, sunder hattangadi wrote: >>>> advaitin , f maiello <egodust@d...> wrote: > hariH OM! sundarji- > > yes, this is *it*. > which should hopefully represent for us the poetically > definitive crack-end of this vicious circular debate! > > sri ramana stated it once similarly. > > note: hope you don't find it and post it, though.. > it'll scare the heck outa me! :-) > > namaskaar, > frank > > _____________________________ > > sunder hattangadi wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Stating this poetically: > > [Verse 21 from "sat-darshana bhaashhya", by 'K', 6th ed. 1975, Sri > > Ramanashram] > > > > vidheH prayatnasya cha ko.api vaadaH > > tayordvayormuulamajaanataa.n syaat.h . > > vidheH prayatnasya cha muulavastu > > sa~njaanataa.n naiva vidhirna yatnaH .. > > > > On Fate and Effort They are given to talk, > > That know not whence come forth the two. > > Those that know the source of both > > Beyond the twain are they, by Fate untouched and by Effort too. > > > > Regards, > > > > s. eGroups Sponsor <http://rd./M=168002.1291681.2888959.2/D=egroupmail/S=1700075991:N/ A=564919/*http://www.columbiahouse.com/gateway?token=7406>Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99! Get 3 CDs for ONLY $9.99! Discussion of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/>http://www.eScribe.com/culture/adv aitin/ For Temporary stoppage of your Email, send a blank email to <advaitin-nomail > To resume normal delivery of Email, send a blank email to <advaitin-normal > To receive email digest (one per day) send a blank email to <advaitin-digest > To to advaitin list, send a blank email to <advaitin-> <<<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 Namaste Frankji, I don't know how or why three messages of mine appeared without any content I posted! Anyway, Frankji, this should remove your scare COMPLETELY! The quotation is in fact the sanskrit version of Maharshi's original Tamil work, Ulladu Narpadu!! Regards, s. advaitin , f maiello <egodust@d...> wrote: > hariH OM! sundarji- > > yes, this is *it*. > which should hopefully represent for us the poetically > definitive crack-end of this vicious circular debate! > > sri ramana stated it once similarly. > > note: hope you don't find it and post it, though.. > it'll scare the heck outa me! :-) > > namaskaar, > frank > > _____________________________ > > sunder hattangadi wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Stating this poetically: > > [Verse 21 from "sat-darshana bhaashhya", by 'K', 6th ed. 1975, Sri > > Ramanashram] > > > > vidheH prayatnasya cha ko.api vaadaH > > tayordvayormuulamajaanataa.n syaat.h . > > vidheH prayatnasya cha muulavastu > > sa~njaanataa.n naiva vidhirna yatnaH .. > > > > On Fate and Effort They are given to talk, > > That know not whence come forth the two. > > Those that know the source of both > > Beyond the twain are they, by Fate untouched and by Effort too. > > > > Regards, > > > > s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 sunder hattangadi wrote: > > Anyway, Frankji, this should remove your scare COMPLETELY! > > The quotation is in fact the sanskrit version of Maharshi's original > Tamil work, Ulladu Narpadu!! > sri sundarji- a.k.a. "sat darshanam"... yes, i realized it after i wrote that, as you'll notice from my follow-up. at any rate, to me, the maharshi was (is!) the clearest teacher. great to see your lightning-ready references and insights into his words.. namaskaar, frank _________________ > advaitin , f maiello <egodust@d...> wrote: > > hariH OM! sundarji- > > > > yes, this is *it*. > > which should hopefully represent for us the poetically > > definitive crack-end of this vicious circular debate! > > > > sri ramana stated it once similarly. > > > > note: hope you don't find it and post it, though.. > > it'll scare the heck outa me! :-) > > > > namaskaar, > > frank > > > > _____________________________ > > > > sunder hattangadi wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Stating this poetically: > > > [Verse 21 from "sat-darshana bhaashhya", by 'K', 6th ed. 1975, Sri > > > Ramanashram] > > > > > > vidheH prayatnasya cha ko.api vaadaH > > > tayordvayormuulamajaanataa.n syaat.h . > > > vidheH prayatnasya cha muulavastu > > > sa~njaanataa.n naiva vidhirna yatnaH .. > > > > > > On Fate and Effort They are given to talk, > > > That know not whence come forth the two. > > > Those that know the source of both > > > Beyond the twain are they, by Fate untouched and by Effort > too. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > s. > > Discussion of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > For Temporary stoppage of your Email, send a blank email to <advaitin-nomail > > To resume normal delivery of Email, send a blank email to <advaitin-normal > > To receive email digest (one per day) send a blank email to <advaitin-digest > > To to advaitin list, send a blank email to <advaitin-> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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