Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 I couldn't resist posting this comment I came across the other day. It's a statement from Tony Parsons - a modern teacher from the UK who has also just begun to give talks in the US. (He has a book probably recently published there called 'As it is', published by Inner Directions, Encinitas, CA 92023. It is combined with his first book 'The Open Secret', which I can thoroughly recommend.) *** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The most effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." *** ( From Vol. 8 No. 2 August 2000 of 'Self Enquiry', published by the Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK.) Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 Dennis Waite [dwaite] Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:51 AM Advaitin A provocative comment I couldn't resist posting this comment I came across the other day. It's a statement from Tony Parsons - a modern teacher from the UK who has also just begun to give talks in the US. (He has a book probably recently published there called 'As it is', published by Inner Directions, Encinitas, CA 92023. It is combined with his first book 'The Open Secret', which I can thoroughly recommend.) *** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The most effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." *** __________ Hi Dennis. You may know that sentiments described above have become very common among the "modern" teachers of nonduality. They are supposed to reflect ultimate wisdom and understanding. Such statements have no inherent meaning at all and perhaps they are most useful only for the one making them. Give the parrots of nonduality their due, because there is a place for them also in the scheme of things. People truly learn by teaching. Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 Namaste, I have always wondered about these lines of poet Robert Burns [1759-1796]: " Oh wad some power the giftie gie us To see oursels as others see us! It wad frae monie a blunder free us, An' foolish notion. " Dennis, does this have any similarity to your quotation? Regards, s. advaitin , "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote: > I couldn't resist posting this comment I came across the other day. It's a > statement from Tony Parsons - a modern teacher from the UK who has also just > begun to give talks in the US. (He has a book probably recently published > there called 'As it is', published by Inner Directions, Encinitas, CA 92023. > It is combined with his first book 'The Open Secret', which I can thoroughly > recommend.) > > *** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we > are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The most > effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." *** > > ( From Vol. 8 No. 2 August 2000 of 'Self Enquiry', published by the Ramana > Maharshi Foundation UK.) > > Dennis > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 advaitin , "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote: > I couldn't resist posting this comment I came across the other day. > > *** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we > are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The most > effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." *** > > ( From Vol. 8 No. 2 August 2000 of 'Self Enquiry', published by the Ramana > Maharshi Foundation UK.) namaste - Likewise here is another quote RAMESH S. BALSEKAR True meditation means the annihilation of the ego. The ego doesn't want that. When meditation happens, promptly the mind says, "Stop wasting time; do something useful". ganga comment - it is true, only when we have one pointed desire and drop all the desires and quit chasing after enlightenment here and there will the illusions be shattered... only within the silence of self introspection leaning upon the Truths of the Vedas is Brahman and liberation found... how can what has always existed be "found"? Realization is the great cosmic joke so to speak - All that exists is Source and you could not have gotten away from it if you tried... but in our search it is missed as we continually falsly conceived that God or Source is something that is separate and outside of our being... So we search - here and there.... when all along it is only the illusion of ego self and separation that keeps the form bound... while the paradox is true you do not find unless you search but also it is the search which defeats you... The search is needed up to the point where all has been done that may be done... study of scriptures and one pointed devotion... slowing and purifying mind and thought... meditation and contemplation.... right action without attachment.... when all this is done .... at the point where Anand is first felt and known to BE... then it is time for the search to end.... complete surrender... even the desire to reach must be surrendered... and the ego must be put upon the alter of sacrifice to Truth.... then and then alone will the path be at an end.... Transcending ALL duality Nirvakalpa Samadhi is entered... subject and object end... and Liberation - Moksha is Known... for you have ended... ceased to exist as a mind created entity... simply Brahman the emptiness of Being remains... and it Has Always Been... only the dream of Maya has been.. awakened to the Truth only Conscious Awareness Proceeds ... Ever Non-Dual.... What is there to be liberated from? Are you ever bound by a dream? The dream never touches Reality..... SATCHITANAND shanti-shanti-shanti- OM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 > >*** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we >are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The most >effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." *** > >( From Vol. 8 No. 2 August 2000 of 'Self Enquiry', published by the Ramana >Maharshi Foundation UK.) > >Dennis Dennis there is dichotomy here - As long as one is seeking, the very seeking will deny the sought since in the process of seeking, seeker has already decided that he is not the sought. But mind cannot but seek though either outwardly as a bhogi or inwardly as a yogi. This is the same problem as thorn with thorn. But the process of very seeking properly (here is where yoga-s come into picture) purifies the mind to recognize that there is no need to seek since seeker is the sought. Hari Om! Sadananda -- K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Hello Sada-ji and Dennis-ji, Another small layer to the dichotomy you mention. Sometimes the seeking denies the very fact of its seeking. This is especially evident in some teachings that define realization partly as "the seeking falls away." So some people, out of a strong seeking impulse, can't wait to be done with it all. They want to be finished, want to be ... "THERE." So, having learned some theory and such, they say, "What, *me* seeking!? No, that fell away!" But the mind, still quite active and agitated, still indulges in seeking as it attempts to stabilize in the "non-seeking" claim. This is where subtle discernment and plain old honesty would help, again, facilitated by the yogas. OM! --Greg At 07:17 AM 1/22/01 -0500, K. Sadananda wrote: >>>> > >*** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we >are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The most >effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." *** > >( From Vol. 8 No. 2 August 2000 of 'Self Enquiry', published by the Ramana >Maharshi Foundation UK.) > >Dennis Dennis there is dichotomy here - As long as one is seeking, the very seeking will deny the sought since in the process of seeking, seeker has already decided that he is not the sought. But mind cannot but seek though either outwardly as a bhogi or inwardly as a yogi. This is the same problem as thorn with thorn. But the process of very seeking properly (here is where yoga-s come into picture) purifies the mind to recognize that there is no need to seek since seeker is the sought. Hari Om! Sadananda -- K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 eGroups Sponsor <http://rd./M=168002.1291681.2888959.2/D=egroupmail/S=1700075991:N/ A=564956/*http://www.columbiahouse.com/gateway?token=7415>Choose 3 DVDs for $0.49 each! Choose 3 DVDs for $0.49 each! Discussion of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/>http://www.eScribe.com/culture/adv aitin/ For Temporary stoppage of your Email, send a blank email to <advaitin-nomail > To resume normal delivery of Email, send a blank email to <advaitin-normal > To receive email digest (one per day) send a blank email to <advaitin-digest > To to advaitin list, send a blank email to <advaitin-> <<<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Greg wrote: >Hello Sada-ji and Dennis-ji, > >Another small layer to the dichotomy you mention. Sometimes the seeking >denies the very fact of its seeking. That is a good one! Denial of seeking by seeking! - It is like a declaration " I am the humblest person in the world!" Hari Om! Sadananda -- K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 In support of the comments I made previously, I have just come across the following statement from Wayne Liquorman (whilst looking for some ammunition in my conflict with Patrick!): - "As a 'seeker after truth', one tends to hold oneself in rather high regard." Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Dennis Waite [dwaite] Monday, January 22, 2001 3:57 PM Advaitin Re: A provocative comment In support of the comments I made previously, I have just come across the following statement from Wayne Liquorman (whilst looking for some ammunition in my conflict with Patrick!): - "As a 'seeker after truth', one tends to hold oneself in rather high regard." Dennis Well it seems the new class of "non seekers" with their new age "wisdom" want to topple the old class of "seekers" in terms of holding themselves in even higher regard! :-). Evidently, the "non seekers" have a great need to speak of the "seekers" often and compare themselves (otherwise how would they feel reassured about their "understanding." By the way, thank you for your vote of confidence Ramji (that Harsha will never be harsh). I wish I could confirm that, but I just found my Zen stick! Love Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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