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I couldn't resist posting this comment I came across the other day. It's a

statement from Tony Parsons - a modern teacher from the UK who has also just

begun to give talks in the US. (He has a book probably recently published

there called 'As it is', published by Inner Directions, Encinitas, CA 92023.

It is combined with his first book 'The Open Secret', which I can thoroughly

recommend.)

 

*** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we

are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The most

effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." ***

 

( From Vol. 8 No. 2 August 2000 of 'Self Enquiry', published by the Ramana

Maharshi Foundation UK.)

 

Dennis

 

 

 

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Dennis Waite [dwaite]

Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:51 AM

Advaitin

A provocative comment

 

 

I couldn't resist posting this comment I came across the other day. It's a

statement from Tony Parsons - a modern teacher from the UK who has also just

begun to give talks in the US. (He has a book probably recently published

there called 'As it is', published by Inner Directions, Encinitas, CA 92023.

It is combined with his first book 'The Open Secret', which I can thoroughly

recommend.)

 

*** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we

are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The most

effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." ***

__________

Hi Dennis. You may know that sentiments described above have become very

common among the "modern" teachers of nonduality. They are supposed to

reflect ultimate wisdom and understanding. Such statements have no inherent

meaning at all and perhaps they are most useful only for the one making

them. Give the parrots of nonduality their due, because there is a place for

them also in the scheme of things. People truly learn by teaching.

 

Harsha

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Namaste,

 

I have always wondered about these lines of poet Robert Burns

[1759-1796]:

 

" Oh wad some power the giftie gie us

To see oursels as others see us!

It wad frae monie a blunder free us,

An' foolish notion. "

 

Dennis, does this have any similarity to your quotation?

 

Regards,

 

s.

 

advaitin , "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote:

> I couldn't resist posting this comment I came across the other day.

It's a

> statement from Tony Parsons - a modern teacher from the UK who has

also just

> begun to give talks in the US. (He has a book probably recently

published

> there called 'As it is', published by Inner Directions, Encinitas,

CA 92023.

> It is combined with his first book 'The Open Secret', which I can

thoroughly

> recommend.)

>

> *** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of

what we

> are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery.

The most

> effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." ***

>

> ( From Vol. 8 No. 2 August 2000 of 'Self Enquiry', published by the

Ramana

> Maharshi Foundation UK.)

>

> Dennis

>

>

>

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advaitin , "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote:

> I couldn't resist posting this comment I came across the other day.

>

> *** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of

what we

> are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery.

The most

> effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." ***

>

> ( From Vol. 8 No. 2 August 2000 of 'Self Enquiry', published by the

Ramana

> Maharshi Foundation UK.)

 

 

namaste -

Likewise here is another quote

 

RAMESH S. BALSEKAR

 

True meditation means the annihilation of the ego. The ego doesn't

want that. When meditation happens, promptly the mind says, "Stop

wasting time; do something useful".

 

ganga comment - it is true, only when we have one pointed desire and

drop all the desires and quit chasing after enlightenment here and

there will the illusions be shattered... only within the silence of

self introspection leaning upon the Truths of the Vedas is Brahman

and liberation found... how can what has always existed be "found"?

Realization is the great cosmic joke so to speak - All that exists is

Source and you could not have gotten away from it if you tried... but

in our search it is missed as we continually falsly conceived that

God or Source is something that is separate and outside of our

being... So we search - here and there.... when all along it is only

the illusion of ego self and separation that keeps the form bound...

while the paradox is true you do not find unless you search but also

it is the search which defeats you... The search is needed up to the

point where all has been done that may be done... study of scriptures

and one pointed devotion... slowing and purifying mind and thought...

meditation and contemplation.... right action without attachment....

when all this is done .... at the point where Anand is first felt and

known to BE... then it is time for the search to end.... complete

surrender... even the desire to reach must be surrendered... and the

ego must be put upon the alter of sacrifice to Truth.... then and

then alone will the path be at an end.... Transcending ALL duality

Nirvakalpa Samadhi is entered... subject and object end... and

Liberation - Moksha is Known... for you have ended... ceased to exist

as a mind created entity... simply Brahman the emptiness of Being

remains... and it Has Always Been... only the dream of Maya has

been.. awakened to the Truth only Conscious Awareness Proceeds ...

Ever Non-Dual....

What is there to be liberated from? Are you ever bound by a dream?

The dream never touches Reality.....

 

SATCHITANAND shanti-shanti-shanti- OM

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>*** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we

>are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The most

>effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." ***

>

>( From Vol. 8 No. 2 August 2000 of 'Self Enquiry', published by the Ramana

>Maharshi Foundation UK.)

>

>Dennis

 

Dennis there is dichotomy here - As long as one is seeking, the very

seeking will deny the sought since in the process of seeking, seeker

has already decided that he is not the sought. But mind cannot but

seek though either outwardly as a bhogi or inwardly as a yogi. This

is the same problem as thorn with thorn. But the process of very

seeking properly (here is where yoga-s come into picture) purifies

the mind to recognize that there is no need to seek since seeker is

the sought.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

--

K. Sadananda

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Hello Sada-ji and Dennis-ji,

 

Another small layer to the dichotomy you mention. Sometimes the seeking

denies the very fact of its seeking. This is especially evident in some

teachings that define realization partly as "the seeking falls away." So

some people, out of a strong seeking impulse, can't wait to be done with it

all. They want to be finished, want to be ... "THERE." So, having

learned some theory and such, they say, "What, *me* seeking!? No, that

fell away!" But the mind, still quite active and agitated, still indulges

in seeking as it attempts to stabilize in the "non-seeking" claim. This is

where subtle discernment and plain old honesty would help, again,

facilitated by the yogas.

 

OM!

 

--Greg

 

At 07:17 AM 1/22/01 -0500, K. Sadananda wrote:

>>>>

>

>*** "We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we

>are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The most

>effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." ***

>

>( From Vol. 8 No. 2 August 2000 of 'Self Enquiry', published by the Ramana

>Maharshi Foundation UK.)

>

>Dennis

 

Dennis there is dichotomy here - As long as one is seeking, the very

seeking will deny the sought since in the process of seeking, seeker

has already decided that he is not the sought. But mind cannot but

seek though either outwardly as a bhogi or inwardly as a yogi. This

is the same problem as thorn with thorn. But the process of very

seeking properly (here is where yoga-s come into picture) purifies

the mind to recognize that there is no need to seek since seeker is

the sought.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

--

K. Sadananda

Code 6323

Naval Research Laboratory

Washington D.C. 20375

Voice (202)767-2117

Fax:(202)767-2623

 

 

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Greg wrote:

>Hello Sada-ji and Dennis-ji,

>

>Another small layer to the dichotomy you mention. Sometimes the seeking

>denies the very fact of its seeking.

 

That is a good one! Denial of seeking by seeking! - It is like a

declaration " I am the humblest person in the world!"

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

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In support of the comments I made previously, I have just come across the

following statement from Wayne Liquorman (whilst looking for some ammunition

in my conflict with Patrick!): -

 

"As a 'seeker after truth', one tends to hold oneself in rather high

regard."

 

Dennis

 

 

 

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Dennis Waite [dwaite]

Monday, January 22, 2001 3:57 PM

Advaitin

Re: A provocative comment

 

 

In support of the comments I made previously, I have just come across the

following statement from Wayne Liquorman (whilst looking for some ammunition

in my conflict with Patrick!): -

 

"As a 'seeker after truth', one tends to hold oneself in rather high

regard."

 

Dennis

 

Well it seems the new class of "non seekers" with their new age "wisdom"

want to topple the old class of "seekers" in terms of holding themselves in

even higher regard! :-). Evidently, the "non seekers" have a great need to

speak of the "seekers" often and compare themselves (otherwise how would

they feel reassured about their "understanding."

 

By the way, thank you for your vote of confidence Ramji (that Harsha will

never be harsh). I wish I could confirm that, but I just found my Zen stick!

 

Love

Harsha

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