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Vasant G Godbole [vashug]

Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:40 AM

advaitin

Re: Provocative comment

 

***We all have a deep longing and a deep fear of the discovery of what we

are, and the mind devises any way it can to avoid this discovery. The

most

effective way it avoids awakening is to seek it." ***

 

 

 

Namaste,

I don't think the statement deserves the caustic scorn and contempt

heaped by Harshaji.

_______

I agree Vasantji. I withdraw the caustic scorn and contempt that may have

been heaped.

 

My main concern was aimed at the last sentence which states:

 

"The most effective way it (mind) avoids awakening is to seek it."

 

Vasantji, the sentence being absolutist in nature appears superficial to me.

The sentence is also logically absurd as it implies that "seeking" is the

worst culprit in preventing realization whereas perhaps other "non-seeking"

activities such as gambling, wrestling, engaging in pie eating contests

would hinder Self-Realization less.

 

I view the "anti-seeking" crowd as the modern parrots of nonduality. Even

Ramana Maharshi was a "seeker" for the few minutes it took him to Realize

the Self. To say that "seeking" effectively prevents Realization is good in

theory but patently false in the experience of great sages. This "no

seeking" sentiment cannot be taken as sound universal advice as it

contradicts scriptures and sages who say that an intense desire for

liberation and hence "intense seeking" is a prerequisite for liberation. At

the time of Realization only "Seeking" vanishes in a natural way.

 

Love to all

Harsha

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advaitin , "Harsha \(Dr. Harsh K. Luthar\)" <

> Ramana Maharshi was a "seeker" for the few minutes it took him to

Realize

> the Self. To say that "seeking" effectively prevents Realization is

good in

> theory but patently false in the experience of great sages. This "no

> seeking" sentiment cannot be taken as sound universal advice as it

> contradicts scriptures and sages who say that an intense desire for

> liberation and hence "intense seeking" is a prerequisite for

liberation. At

> the time of Realization only "Seeking" vanishes in a natural way.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

 

Namaste -

There is a time for one pointed focus and seeking.. and there is a

time for surrender of All... both must be... the desire for

liberation must be absolute and the seeking must be one pointed...

but scripture states also that there is a point where even the desire

for liberation must be surrendered.... When all has been done that

may be done and the wall is reached then ALL is surrendered...

this is the point where the ego dies.... but the timing must be

right...

those that say not to seek will never reach.... nor those that

continue to search when it is time to surrender will reach... this is

why a Guru that is realised must be there to guide and instruct... in

this timing is everything..... and the liberated One alone is able to

guide one along the path which he has already trod an knows....

And yes upon "realization" there is no longer any search.. for only

Truth remains....

 

Love and Blessings Sat-Chit-Anand Shanti-shanti-shanti Om

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Ganga Karmokar [crystalkundalini]

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:01 AM

advaitin

Re: Vasantji/ Provocative comment

 

Namaste -

There is a time for one pointed focus and seeking.. and there is a

time for surrender of All... both must be... the desire for

liberation must be absolute and the seeking must be one pointed...

but scripture states also that there is a point where even the desire

for liberation must be surrendered.... When all has been done that

may be done and the wall is reached then ALL is surrendered...

this is the point where the ego dies.... but the timing must be

right...

those that say not to seek will never reach.... nor those that

continue to search when it is time to surrender will reach... this is

why a Guru that is realised must be there to guide and instruct... in

this timing is everything..... and the liberated One alone is able to

guide one along the path which he has already trod an knows....

And yes upon "realization" there is no longer any search.. for only

Truth remains....

_____________

Seeking is due to Grace only. The seeking mind drops and merges into the

Self, That Is Nirvikalpa. This is also not an act of will but due to Grace

only. As I have said before, just as a constipated man who takes a laxative

need not worry about what will bring the laxative out, after everything else

comes out, the sincere spiritual seeker need not worry about what will stop

the seeking, etc. Surrender to the Lord of the Heart happens automatically

due to Grace at a certain point.

 

The teaching that every desire, even the desire for enlightenment, must be

surrendered is one of the highest teachings. It is understood clearly in the

ending stages. The True Yogi with his depth of experience and knowledge and

wisdom knows it intimately as his/her first hand knowledge and not borrowed

knowledge based on second hand testimony. Sri Ramana has clearly stated that

Grace is vouchsafed for the True Yogi who has made the effort with all his

heart and mind. Surrender become possible then.

 

Love and Blessings

Harsha

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