Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 In God-Realized , vijay@e... wrote: God-Realized , vijay@e... wrote:V: vijay G: gangaPujya V:If I think that there is nothing to experience,understand, know...vs If I know that there is nothing to experience,understand,know... is all the difference between Shunya and Brahman.Aum Shanti... G: there is no need for comment on this V:Realized sages absorbed in Brahaman say there is nothing to understand, there is no time element... G: Yes becasue they have transcended the superficiality of so-called knowledge... and have enterend into the silent awareness which isBrahman... Therefore for them there is NOTHING to KNOW... Once you KNOW BRAHMAN you know the ultimate truth... the rest are only the mind games of maya....There is no knowledge but only the ever present Brahman... There is at that point only the timeless endless PRESENCE WHICH ABSORBS THE ALL and Which Contains the All .... When the body conciousness has ended and ego has dropped within that ocean of Bliss... That is ALL that Remains.... is the ever present Brahman.... You which is no longer the "you" of personality is ever esconsed within the Ocean of Brahman..... and "knowledge" has ended... and illusions of time and division are also at an end...... V:Fools sit in the realm of maya and repeat what sages say withoutthe realization - thus ending in shunya(there is nothing to know...) G: They only mouth the words as a parrot that is taught a phrase... but the content the "knowing" is not there... it is only theory... as long as there is the illusion that by words it is known... the delusion continues.... once the debate and words have ended and are at an end and the silence is entered into fully... by fully it is meant that you have surrended the all which you have falsely perceived to be - think and know as truth... when all this has been surrenderd... when you realize that you ultimately know nothing... and you surrender completely to That Which Is then Realization will be seen... But all is surrendered.. all your notions and concepts... all your knowledge and ideations... all your desires (even the desire for liberation) and that which is termed you - your personality - your very life is surrendered... then what emerges is the EVER PRESENT BRAHMAN..... beyond aspects - beyond form - beyond personality - beyond limitations and divisions.... and it is KNOWN..... and there the ESSENSE rests.... in the depths of the ocean of Bliss... and from the depths you look upon the maya realms as only waves upon the top... but never again do the waves disturb the ocean depths.... only SHANTI ONLY ANAND REMAINS.... v:Now the final question - Within Maya all I can do is try to surrender,shed ego,still mind....... do the Upasana - experience will come depending on the intensity of my Upasana.OR Whatever you do within Maya is of no avail to reach the Brahma .........whether I do the Upasana or not has no bearing on knowing the truth. There is no algorithm to reach Brahma...Jai Gange Jai Bhagirathi. G: Yes the ultimate question.... you do what you can to purify the mind and thoughts and outlook... ever going inward... see beyond the outward forms of puja etc... knowing that ultimately the Truth or Brahman will only be found within.... the outward practices should only serve to draw you ever inward to Self discovery.... they are steps along the way.... ultimately total surrender must come to the process.... but not all are ready for the ultimate surrendering right away.... and therefore must take the longer road of outward practice ever proceeding to the center of Self.... beyond all practice... While in duality when you are still held within the clutches of right and wrong - black and white then you always strive for the most Satvik path that you can conceive.... But knowing that in the end ALL practices and sense of doership must be surrenderd.... The best upon the path is continued Satsang with Sages... What is the use of continued study of endless words? While you need the basics of understanding the Truth that is pointed to by the words may only come to be KNOWN by surrender to the Silence Within where even the within and without will be transcended.... You start with Contemplation of one thought or ideation to steady the mind... and simplify your outward life... ever concious of the inner... let the outward world simply fade away day by day.... Once the mind is settled then Meditation will begin... and meditation is an absolutely silent mind... no thought... simply awareness.... when that state has been reached and you have drawn your focus totally inward the body consciousness will drop....and the Anand will rise on its own accord... this is the beginning to the realm of Brahman.... at that point is when total surrender comes into play... Then you drop the ALL into the ocean and just remain still.... not fighting the urge that you will sink and die... have faith... just give it all no energy... remain still... and the illusions that have held you bound will shatter.... and Brahman ALONE will be "KNOWN" ... and the path is at an end.... the searching is over... complete.. forever to rest within the Ocean of Bliss.... Love and Blessings dear Vijay and to all who find these words... Sat*Chit*Anand Shanti-Shanti-Shanti Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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