Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 Notes on BSB I-i-3-1A sadaashiva samaarambhaa.n sha~Nkaraachaarya madhyamam.h | asmadaachaarya paryantaa.n vande guruparamparaam.h || I prostrate to the lineage of teachers starting from Lord Shiva who is ever auspicious and with Bhagavaan Shankara in the middle and all the way up to my own teacher. vaatsalya ruupa.n triguNairatiitaM aananda saandram amalairnidhaanam.h .| shrii chinmayaananda guro praNiitaM sadaa bhaje.aha.n tava paada pa~Nkajam.h || Who is the very embodiment of motherly affection who is beyond the three guNa-s, who is full with bliss, and who is the very source of purity who is the best among the teachers, Shree Chinmayaananda, to his lotus feet I (sadaa) always prostrate. --------- samanvaya adhyaaya - I spashhTa brahma li~Nga vaakya samanvaya paada- i shaastrayoni adhikaraNam -3 suutra 1: shaastrayonitvaat The third suutra is shhastrayonitvaat. - This belongs to third adhikaraNam , which again has only one suutra. This suutra will be interpreted in two different ways. It is the glory of a suutra to have the possibility of more than one interpretation (see sutra definition in Ch. 1 that discussed about vishvatomukhatvam , and this suutra is an example for that. We will first study the first interpretation and come back and study the second interpretation. The general analysis, the word by word analysis and the conclusion of the suutra, for each interpretation, follow: 1. General analysis. The essence of this suutra is that it confirms the omniscience of Brahman which is directly revealed in the second suutra , brahma sarvaj~natvam dR^iDhayati. The second suutra said Brahman is the sarva kaaraNam or jagat kaaraNam. Since sarvasya kartaa sarvaj~naH, it indirectly implied that Brahman is sarvaj~naH or omniscient. This omniscience is derived because of the nimitta kaaraNam or intelligent cause of the jagat (rather than upaadaana kaaraNam - see discussion related to suutra 2.) Vyasacharya confirms the omniscience of Brahman in the third suutra by pointing out that Brahman is the creator of the Veda-s also. shaastra yoni means Veda kartaa, the creator of Veda-s. kartaa means here the nimitta kaaraNam, the intelligent cause. In the second suutra, Brahman is described as the nimitta kaaraNa of the entire world and in this suutra it points he is the nimitta kaaraNam of all the Veda-s which includes all the knowledge. One can say in the second suutra, nimitta kaaraNam of artha prapa~ncha is pointed out and here the nimitta kaaraNam of shabda prapa~ncha, veda-shabdaanaam api kartaa, is pointed. How does this reveal the omniscience of Brahman? Shankara says Veda contains all knowledge, both paraa and aparaa vidyaa , ephemeral as well as transcendental knowledge. There is no branch of science, which is not discussed in the Veda. Veda-s that are known today considered as insignificant in relation to what was there before. Much was lost. It was said that Sama Veda had 1000 shaakhaa -s or branches of which very few are remaining now. Many branches of Veda are known to be extinct now. Even from Shankara's time to now, in the span of 1300 years many portions are lost, since we cannot find Vedic source of some of the quotes of Shankara. Hence Shankara says vedaH sarvaj~naH. From this Shankara makes a logical statement or vyaapti. That is, the author of a text invariably knows more than the contents of the text. This is because one can never express everything one knows in verbal form in one's authored text. Hence the inference is brahma sarvaj~nam, sarvaj~nkalpa veda kartR^itvaat, vyatirekeNa asmad aadivat ! Brahman is omniscient, since He is the author of the Veda that have all knowledge, unlike all of us! (since there is no like example!) An incidental point to be made for technical reason. It is accepted by Vedantins that Veda-s are anaadi and apaurushheyam , not created by anyone. If Veda-s are not created by any one intellect then how can one say that Brahman has created these Veda-s. This is not a contradiction since when we say Brahman created Veda-s it does means Brahman has intellectually invented veda-s, like Valmiki writing Ramayana. This knowledge was already there in a potential form. Brahman only brought the teaching to manifestation, like the creation. The world was existing in potential form and creation is only manifestation of that existing in a potential form - avyaakR^ita prapa~nchasya vyaakaraNam sR^ishhTiH . Similarly the Vedic knowledge, it was anaadi, or beginningless. It was in potential form in Brahman itself. In this aspect, Vedanta differs from nyaaya system of philosophy, which states Bhagavaan created the Veda-s. vishhaya vaakyam for this suutra: The vishhaya vaakyam is from Brihadaranyaka 2-4-10 in maitreyii braahmaNam . In this particular mantra Brahman is said to be creator of not just the world but Veda-s also: sa yathaa aardra edhaagneH abhyaahitaat pR^ithak dhuumaaH vinishcharanti evam vaa are asya mahataH bhuutasya niHshvasitam etat yat R^igvedaH, yajurVedaH, saamavedaH, atharvaa~NgirasaH, itihaasaH ....etc. When a wet fuel is burned the smoke comes out effortlessly and listen Oh! Maitreyii! it is like breathing out - niHshvaasaH that is effortlessly (niHshvasita nyaaya or liila nyaayaH - effortlessly like breathing or play) Breathing occurs naturally even when we are engaged actively in other actions and we not even aware that we are breathing. Hence it is said the creation of all veda-s R^ig, yajur, saama and atharvaNa etc. are done effortlessly by Bhagavan. This is symbolized by Lord Vishnu lying as vaTapatra shaayee - breathing in and breathing out the whole universe - unmanifestation to manifestation. Based on the above mantra Vyasacharya writes - shaastrayonitvaat. Next the word analysis: There is one compound word shaastrayonitvaat - shaastra yoni - shaastra means Veda. The entire Veda is called shaastra. shaasanaat traayate iti shaastram - the teachings and commandments (such as satyam vada, dharmam chara etc - all are in imperative mood). The commands are mostly in the puurva bhaaga in the first portions where do-s and don't-s are discussed. In the end portion of the Veda-s the shaasanam implies the revelations - the statement of facts - the fact is you are Brahman - it is one thing that one does not have to work for - svataH siddham - an accomplished fact. In our whole life we strive for moksha and shaastra comes and tells us that this is one thing you do not have to strive for in life! When shaastra says 'You are Free" - what commandment is there? - it is just a statement of fact. Thus through these two - commandments in the karma kaanDa and revelations of facts in j~naanakaaDa shaastra does is traayate, protects people from sa.nsaara. The second word is yoni - it has several meanings and in this context it means nimitta kaaraNam, author or creator of the Veda-s. With this the word analysis is also over. Now conclusion: In this we discuss the five aspects associated with an adhikaraNam. 1. vishhayaH or subject matter - the subject matter for this adhikaraNam is also Brahman. 2. sa.nshayaH or doubt - the doubt is whether Brahman is the author of Veda-s too or not. 3 puurvapaksha - Brahman is not the author of the Vedas- why? - vedasya anaaditvaat - since veda-s are beginningless. Whatever is created has an end - Veda-s are eternal - vedasya nityatvaat, anaadi nidhanaa vaak - Hence it is not created. 4 siddhaanta - Even though Veda is anaadi or beginningless, we discuss the beginning of Veda as a state of manifestation and unmanifestation exactly like the world. The whole Veda in unmanifested state is considered as just the o~Nkaara. Hence OM is considered as the essence of Veda. yaH chhandasaam R^ishhabhaH vishvaruupaH | chhandobhyaH adhyamR^itaat sambabhuuva | saH maa indraH medhayaa spR^iNotu | - .. T.U. 1-4 By churning the Veda-s Brahmaji took the essence of veda-s and that is the OM -kaaraH. The OM -kaara was there as shabda in the aakaasha or space in the very beginning of the creation. (In the beginning was the word). If OM is the essence of Veda-s, Brahman is the essence of OM - OM iti ekaaksharam brahma. Manifestation from unmanifest is considered as creation and hence there is nothing wrong in saying that Brahman is the creator of the Veda-s since He is the cause for its manifestation. 5. sa~NgatiH - the connection is said to be aakshepa sa~NgatiH, meaning this adhikaraNam answers an objection raised particularly by puurvamiimaa.nsaka based on the previous adhikaraNam. In the previous adhikaraNam Brahman is said to be sarva kaaraNam. The objection that one can accept Brahman is the kaaraNam for everything except the Veda-s since Veda is anaadi. In this suutra the aakshepa is answered with the emphasis that Brahman is sarva kaaraNam including Veda. Hence that Brahman is sarvaj~nam or omniscient is established through this suutra. This completes the first interpretation of the suutra. End of Notes on BSB I-i-3-1A Notes on Brahmasuutra-s are now stored in a folder and can be accessed at advaitinNotes+on+Brahmasuutra/ for personal study. Copyright Protection - These notes are copyright protected -- K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 Gummuluru Murthy wrote: > namaste. > > I am enjoying shri Sadananda garu's presentation. The presentation is really fascinating. > with apologies for this intervention, let me express my reservation with word 'written'used > in the context of the vedA-s. Yes. Veda-s are not written (authored) by anyone. Has the word "written" been used by Sadaaji in his notes? > > I put forward my understanding of this sUtrA with two > meanings and my preference for the first meaning. Just by way of amplification , let me say this (at the risk of appearing to carry coal to Newcastle) : shaastra-yoni is a compound word called a samaasa in sanskrit. This may be resolved in two ways: (1) as - shaastrasya yoniH- meaning the yoni (origin) of shaastram . In this case it is called a tatpurushha samaasa. or (2) as - shastram yoniH yasya tat - that thing of which the yoni(origin) is shaastram. In this case it will be a bahuvriihi samaasa. Applied to brahman, interpretation as at (1) above, will mean that brahman is the origin of shaastram. Interpretation as at (2) above , will mean that shaastram is the source for knowledge of brahman. > Shri Sadananda garu, I am sure, will be expanding on this > meaning also, probably in the next or future presentation. We can barely await the future instalments of his notes. Regards. V.M.Sundaram. > > > > > > Discussion of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > For details, visit: /local/news.html > Post message: advaitin > Subscribe: advaitin- > Un: advaitin > URL to Advaitin: advaitin > File folder: advaitin > Link Folder: advaitin/links > Messages Folder: advaitin/messages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2001 Report Share Posted February 9, 2001 namaste. I am enjoying shri Sadananda garu's presentations very much. For the previous sUtra, I expressed my reservation in using the word 'definition' in the context of brahman. At the risk of being branded an unnecessary interventionist, and with apologies for this intervention, let me express my reservation with word 'written' used in the context of the vedA-s. I put forward my understanding of this sUtrA with two meanings and my preference for the first meaning. 1. shAstrayonitvAt: That from which the vedA-s have evolved. Here the word yoni is used. Yoni in sanskrit also means the female regenerative organ. A baby before evolution is part of the mother and the baby evolves out of the mother. The vedA-s have evolved out of brahman. The vedA-s are not written texts. VedA-s are the sounds. Once we use the word 'written' in the context of this sUtra, we are getting into the wrong track of discussion. VedA-s are the sounds. The R^iShis had a vision of Truth and they expressed in sounds what they have envisioned. And these sounds are the vedA-s. Thus the vedA-s are a direct evolution from brahman, consistent with the usage of the word yoni here. I think that we should not use the word 'written' in the context of this sUtrA because firstly the vedA-s are not written texts and secondly 'written' implies someone (human) has written them which is not the case. Even looking at the vedA-s as direct revelation is also, in my view, not a completely correct representation. The R^iShis had a vision of the Truth and they explained that vision in certain sounds and these sounds are the vedA-s. Or alternately, 2. This sUtra can also be interpreted as : The vedA-s being the right source of knowledge, i.e., we will have the (right) knowledge of brahman only from the vedA-s. Shri Sadananda garu, I am sure, will be expanding on this meaning also, probably in the next or future presentation. Once again, my apologies for this intervention. Regards Gummuluru Murthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2001 Report Share Posted February 9, 2001 >Or alternately, > >2. This sUtra can also be interpreted as : The vedA-s being >the right source of knowledge, i.e., we will have the (right) >knowledge of brahman only from the vedA-s. > >Shri Sadananda garu, I am sure, will be expanding on this >meaning also, probably in the next or future presentation. Yes - Veda as pramaaNa - and that will be the second interpretation that will be presented next week. Hari Om! Sadananda -- K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2001 Report Share Posted February 9, 2001 > >1. >shAstrayonitvAt: That from which the vedA-s have evolved. >Here the word yoni is used. Yoni in sanskrit also means >the female regenerative organ. Besides the meaning you mentioned, according to Vedic usage of the term, as I understand, it means kaaraNam, or cause or source. In munDaka (If I remember) there is a mantra yad adreshya magraahya agotram avarNam akshhakhhsu shrotram tad paaNi paadam nityam vibhuH sarva gatim sa suukshhmam yat bhuuta yonim paripasyanti dheeraaH| Typed from memory -corrections may be required. Here bhuuta yonim is used as the bhuuta kaaraNam or in the role of creator similar to jagat kaaraNam. Of course your preference for the meaning is not denied. As it is emphasized in the notes here karthaa is only in terms of manifestation from unmanifest. Hari Om! Sadananda -- K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2001 Report Share Posted February 9, 2001 Namaste, These references may be helpful. Monier-Williams Dictionary: yo4ni Entry yoni Meaning mf. (in RV. only m. ; f. sometimes also %{yonI} ; fr. 2. %{yu}) the womb , uterus , vulva , vagina , female organs of generation RV. &c. &c. (together with the %{liGga} , a typical symbol of the divine procreative energy RTL. 224) ; place of birth , source , origin , spring , fountain (ifc. = sprung or produced from) ib. ; place of rest , repository , receptacle , seat , abode , home , lair , nest , stable RV. AV. S3Br. ; family , race , stock , caste , the form of existence or station fixed by birth (e.g. that of a man , Bra1hman , animal &c. ; ifc. = belonging to the caste of) Mn. MBh. &c. [858,3] ; seed , grain (cf. %{yonI-poSaNa}) ; a partic. part of a fire-pit Hcat. ; a mine L. ; copper L. ; water Naigh. ; the regent of the Nakshatra Pu1rvaphalguni1 VarBr2S. ; N. of the sound %{e} Up. ; of a partic. verse or formula Ka1tyS3r. ; (%{I}) f. N. of a river in S3a1lmala-dvi1pa VP. ___________________ The Mundaka Upanishad quotation runs as follows: [i:i:6] yat tad adreshyam agraahyam agotram avarNam achakshuH-shrotra.n tad apaaNipaadam . nitya.n vibhu.n sarva-gata.n susuukshma.n tad avyaya.n yad bhuuta-yoniM paripashyanti dhiiraaH .. [That which is unperceivable, ungraspable, without family, without caste, without sight or hearing, without hands or feet, eternal, omnipresent, exceedingly subtle, that is the Undecaying which the wise perceive as the source of beings......for Shankara, bhuuta-yoni is Ishvara...For Madhva it is Vishnu....] S.Radhakrishnan, The Principal Upanishads. Regards, s. advaitin, "K. Sadananda" <sada@a...> wrote: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 >"V.M.Sundaram" advaitin To: >advaitin Re: Notes on BSB I-i-3-1A >Fri, 09 Feb 2001 04:50:39 +0800 > >Just by way of amplification , let me say this (at the risk of appearing to >carry coal to Newcastle) : > >shaastra-yoni is a compound word called a samaasa in sanskrit. This may be >resolved in two ways: (1) as - shaastrasya yoniH- meaning the yoni (origin) >of shaastram . In this case it is called a tatpurushha samaasa. or (2) as - >shastram yoniH yasya tat - that thing of which the yoni(origin) is >shaastram. In this case it will be a bahuvriihi samaasa. > Sundaramji - I was going to explain exactly the tatpurusha and bahuriihi samaasa in my next notes. You have further convinced me that you should be doing the notes. Please feel free to add or substract from what I wrote. With PraNaams Sada > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 As I was looking over something else I found another reference of the use of yoni in upanishhat-s - this is from swetaaswatara Upanishad - 6-16 sa vishvakR^id vishvavidaatma yoniH j~naH kaalakaaraH guNii sarvavidyaH| pradhaanakshetraj~npati guNeshaH samsaara moksha sthiti bandha hetuH|| He is the creator of the entire universe and also knower of the universe, aatma and yoni. yoni without specific qualifying noun can mean sarva yoni or the source of all. - Omniscience aspect is the central theme of this sloka and hence the list of things He knows or the resons for why he is omniscient. Hari Om! Sadananda _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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