Just give a thought to it!!!

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Hello EveryBody

 

I am a new member to the list and very new student of Ved. While studying I came

across some questions put up by some of other group members. The following

questions were answered to my best of abilities.

 

Just give a thought to it.

 

To Beef or Not to Beef...

 

Q1. Why should a Hindu not eat beef? Of course, Hindus see 33 crore Gods

in it. For that matter, they see God in all entities of the world. Weren't

it we who said, "Eeshavasya midam sarvam..."? )

 

 

To go to the details of it we may have to go into the Vedic Vishwa.

Basically vedas refer "Gou" as animal and as well as "Indriya"(senses). The word

"Gou" over the period of time became "Cow" in English(Apabhransh).

In Vedic peroid some yajnas were practiced 1)AshwaMedh 2)GouMedh 3)AjaMedh

 

The real meaning of each of these word Vedic people knew. Over the period

they(words) lost meanings and people considered Ashwamedh as to sacrifice

Ashwa(Ghoda), GouMedh as to sacrifice Gou(Gaya) and AjaMedh as to sacrifice

Aja(Bakara).

 

This wrong interpretations of these words resulted in heavy sacrifices of Gou

and Aja(Bakara). Gou was and is social animal with lots of benifits. People knew

it and so to stop unnecessary killings of animal like Gou it was made forbidden

in KaliYuga.

 

'Agnihotram gavalambam sanyasam palpaitrukam|

Deverachha sutoptathikaloupanchavivarjayet'|

 

Arthat:

 

'Kaliyug main panch(5) karma karane ke liye nishedh hain

agnihotra,Gavalamban(GouMedh),Sanyas,palapaitruk yane mans pinda dekar shradha

karana aur devar se santati karava lena'

 

That is how people in KaliYuga stopped GouMedh and Hindus who follow Vedic

principle do not eat beef(Gou).

 

Actually in Vedic period Gou means Indriya most of the times. How otherwise you

justify a word GouSwami? Does that mean Nandi ya Bail ya Hela ya Reda?

definitely not. We mean a Rishi or a saintly person who has conquered his

senses.So when Gou means Indriaya Vedic people used to perform GouMedh that is

IndriyaMedh that is IndriaNighriya. They used to direct Indria rather than

guided by them. Over the period this became difficult to implement and people

considered it to be Gaya or Beef.

 

AshwaMedh also had similar problems. Ashwa is A+Shwa 'A' means absence and

'Shwa' means breathing. So where Absence of Berathing is achieved and only

Shusmuna nadi works that state is called as Ashwa. So we have to kill that

avasta. Interestingly,only Kshatriyas were allowed to perform AshwaMedh.

Brahamans were not allowed. Bramhan means Ashwa avasta. A Kshatriya is not

supposed to go to Ashwa avastha because he must look after his subjets.

That is why AshwaMedh was performed by Prabhu RamChandra and Yudhistir. It is

difficult to understand that Prabhu Ramchandra can kill a innocent Ghoda for his

peace of mind(ManahaShanti).It was to remember that being Kshtriya they have to

have Shawas(Nitya Karma). This was also misinterpreted in the post vedic kala

and people started killings Ghoda.

 

AjaMedh is A+ja(That has not taken birth) so AjaMedh means kill that has not

taken bitrh! Was that Abortion? Aja means Bramhavasta so not to indulge in

Bramahavsta is what AjaMedh means. Aja avastha means Brhama avastha ko samasaman

kar jo avastha utpana ho ti hain use Sama+Aja Samaj kahate hain. So AjaMedh

means Samaj ka uddhar.

 

So Vedic people were AshawaMedhi(Jagrut),GouMedhi(IndriyaNighra),and

AjaMedhi(Samajsheel).

 

Over the period people took altogeter diffrent and wrong interpretations and

hence question like Beef eating comes up. So when entire world was practicising

Vedic sanskruti some of them took GouMedh as Gou killins(Chirstains,Muslims),

some of them took it as GouSwami,GouWardhan,GouPal(Hindu),Some of them took as

Strong Indria Nirodh (Jain).

 

By no means Vedas allowed animal scarifiecs. So it is not only Gou but any

animal sacrifices are not allowed.

 

 

Q2:Is vegetarianism a hindu concept.?

 

 

 

As far as my interpretations go Vegetarianism and Non-Vegetarianism is not

Hindu(Vedic) concept.It is there that animal sacrifices were not allowed but in

the Vedic litrature it is not mentioned that Mansahar(Non-Veg) is not allowed.

There was actually no problem with the animal eatings till Ramayan and

MahaBharat. There are sevral instances of Ram either eating or stop eating

Mansahar. It may sound contradictory to what we said above but let me explain.

 

We all know Four Vernas.It was a best example of Mankind Classification. A

person would be classified as to be belonging to one of the Verna based on the

attributes(Guna) and not the family. Kshatriya is Kshatrap ya Warman. This means

that anyone who is maintaining his physical strength to reduce mind detractors.

Naturally, that person has to indulge in wordly activities. He has to

reduce(Warman) chanchal vrutii so it is obvious for eating habits as well. There

is no good reason to belive that it was prohibited in the vedic society to have

Mansahar. The fourth question what you have put itself is an answer to the

question that Veg & Non-Veg is not Hindu(Vedic) Concept.

 

Q3: Veg better than Non-Veg?

 

Vedic society did not bother about this. Actually, this better & bad came

because of Buddhism and Jainism in post Vedic period. Buddha preached extreme

non-voilence. This question is discussed because of Buddhas impact in society.

 

Q4:Why the bramhins(the priest class) are the only ones who are shunned from

non-vegetarianism while others are allowed.?. Is it that hindusim preaches

non violence vegeterianism on one hand and expects only one section of it to

follow.?. How can you say then hindu values can be universally applied.

 

Here again querist mis-interpreted Brahmins as Priest Class. Who is Brahaman?

 

"Braham Janati Brahaman" who knows Brahama(Ultimate Knowledge) is Brahaman.

Ved describe Brahaman as "Sharman" Sharam+Ann .Sharam means Teer(Arrow) and Ann

means vibration(Spandan). "Jo Sadhak appne Sharir Kshtra dwara sadhana prayas

kar tatvaruup avastha ko cheerate huai jata hain aur tatva ko prapta karta hain

use Sharman kahatain hain".

In-short Brahman is in tandem with Brahma(Supreme Knowledge). That person who is

tandem with Brahama must be GouSwami(Whose all Indriyas are under his control)

so no Mansahar or Madira.

 

Now the last question

 

Q5:How can you say then hindu values can be universally applied.

 

 

What are Hindu values? What we call Hindu today is Vedic person;The person Who

belives in Vedas(or their derivations) is today called as Hindu courtesy

Muslims.

What is Vedic Sanskruti? Ved means gyan or Knowledge and Vedic means Gyani. So

Vedic Sanskruti is culture of Gyanis. There is no concept of religion in Vedic

time. So Shashtra and Vigyan are two pilliers of Vedic Vishwa. One who wants to

be Vedic will be classified as Brahaman,Kshatria,Vysha,Shrudra. These are four

stages of the student of vedic society depending attributes(Guna) one

has.Ultimate state and hence desirable is the Brahaman state the meaning of

which we see earlier. So making entire world Brahaman is the basic principle of

Vedas. This is what is the Vedic values that is Hindu Values.

 

Dont you read Universality in it? No other Dharma rests on such a great

principle. We Hindus are supposed to make entire world Brahama-maya.

 

So be very clear about our roots and present true picture of Vedic(Hindu)

society and teachings in the symposium. Remember you should to tell what Anand

we get in Brahma!!!

 

I talk well dont write well. So at times you may find discontinuty. Speed of

Brain and speed of Tounge can be syncronized but speed of Brain and Hand very

difficult!!!

Still I feel I made the point.

 

Best of Lucks.

 

Thanks a Lot for your Time and Space.

 

 

Prabodh Vekhande

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, softbit wrote:

> Hello EveryBody

>

> I am a new member to the list and very new student of Ved.

> While studying I came across some questions put up by some of

> other group members. The following questions were answered to

> my best of abilities.

>

> [...]

> I talk well dont write well. So at times you may find discontinuty.

> Speed of Brain and speed of Tounge can be syncronized but speed of

> Brain and Hand very difficult!!!

> Still I feel I made the point.

>

> Best of Lucks.

>

> Thanks a Lot for your Time and Space.

>

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

>

 

namaste.

 

Yes, you made the points very well.

 

While the presentation is interesting and scholarly, personally,

I found it difficult to follow fully due to liberal mixing of

hindi sentences without proper english translation following

right away. My knowledge of hindi language is very minimal and

hence the difficulty. It is a customary practice on the List

to make the presentation in english language or if some other

language is used, to give translation immediately following

the other language text. I would hope shri Vekhande continue

to present his understandings for the benefit of all.

 

I welcome you to the List, sir, and I look forward to your

thoughtful presentations.

 

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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