Guest guest Posted February 15, 2001 Report Share Posted February 15, 2001 nanda chandran [vpcnk@h...] Monday, February 01, 1999 2:16 PM advaitin Freewill The Self is nothing but YOU, even in the common sense of the term. YOU are always present. It's YOUR mind or YOUR intellect or YOUR ego or YOUR sense, which works. What the above statement does not mean is that since the Self is beyond the mind and senses, it's beyond you. It only means that since YOU ARE IT, and the senses and the mind exist only in relation to YOU, YOU are beyond them. YOU presuppose them. The YOU is nothing but you even now. So don't try to use the mind and the intellect to know yourself. Just be. (It may sound simple , but just try it and you'll find how hard it is to be YOURSELF!) _______ Very beautifully put! But how can one "try" to just be? Trying indicates "doing". Being is always Prior to all doing. So Being must be found permeating "all doing and trying" and also independent of them. Spiritual effort itself is due to Grace. God Remembrance is due to Grace. The Absolute Surrender is due to Grace and it is this Moment of Truth that contains Infinity. It puts an end to all trying and doing. Here Being shines forth in all nakedness and dominates everywhere. Here, the Self Sees It Self as the Self as there is Nothing else to See but the Self. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2001 Report Share Posted February 15, 2001 Namaste Harshaji: The thought that 'This moment contains Infinity' can infact be extended further by saying "Zero contains Infinity." In algebra both 'zero' and 'infinity' are known as 'identiy' elements. The role of 'zero' in multiplication is dual to the role of 'infinity' in addition: For example zero multiplied by any number is always zero and infinity added with any number will as infinity! Mathematicians can possibly able to conceive that 'zero' contains infinity for the simple reason that 'multiplication' contains 'addition.' In fact in the primary school the to explain multiplication, the teacher starts with 2 X 2 using the fingers! More than this, on the ongoing GitaSatsang, the verses under discussion (Chapter 5: verses 21 to 25) focuses on the same point. Verse # 24: The Yogi who finds happiness, joy, and vision of his/her Self within becomes Divine and attains to the Beautitude of God. This is the moment of 'Brahmanirvanam - Zero equals infinity.' Dr Radhakrishnan quotes from Brother Lawrence (from the book, "Practice of the Presence of God") "I know, that, for the right practice of it, the heart must be empty of all else;because God wills to possess the heart alone; and as He cannot possess it alone unless it is empty of all else, so He cannot work init what He would unless be left vacant for Him." The bottom line message of Vedanta is the following: The infinity (Brahman) can only fill in our mind when it is completely empty without any thoughts! BrahmaNirvanam explains the entire Vedanta in a nutshell. regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: >... > Here, the Self Sees It Selfas the Self as there is Nothing else > to See but the Self. > > Love to all > Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2001 Report Share Posted February 15, 2001 Namaste Ram Chandranji I am contributting in this discussions because of some Algebric doubts. Otherwise I do not consider myself competant enough to comment on the topic. >The thought that 'This moment contains Infinity' can infact be >extended further by saying "Zero contains Infinity." In algebra both >'zero' and 'infinity' are known as 'identiy' elements. The role of >'zero' in multiplication is dual to the role of 'infinity' in >addition: For example zero multiplied by any number is always zero and >infinity added with any number will as infinity! Mathematicians can >possibly able to conceive that 'zero' contains infinity for the simple >reason that 'multiplication' contains 'addition.' In fact in the >primary school the to explain multiplication, the teacher starts with >2 X 2 using the fingers! > Please make it more clear. We understand "Moment contains Infinity" and we as well understand "Zero contains Infinity" but the logic provided from algebra of Zero and Infinity is not that clear. As far as "Moment contains Infinity" we can understand this by reading the Bali-DunDubhi story from Kishkindha-kand of Ramayan. The concept of "Zero contains Infinity" can be understood by understanding the concept of formation of zero itself. I have some algebric doubts. Please clarify. What does this mean " In algebra both 'zero' and 'infinity' are known as 'identiy' elements. " ? A number that is Absolute is identity number.It is in every number so it is a factor of every number and every numbr is a factor to itself. "This Universe is created by the Absolute, the creation of manifested forms is sustained by it, and in the end the whole creation will once again merge into it. That is Brahman and that is what one needs to know"-----[shri Shankaracharya] When a nember is multipled or divided by Absolute no change takes place. The number getting oprated(/ or *) by Absolute retains its Identity. This is the reason Absolute is called as Identity number. We can Identify any Number with it. Such number is none other than number ONE. "The Absolute is not the cause of any effect"----[brihadaranyaka Upanishad II:V:18] This is what is our understanding of Identity. >For example zero multiplied by any number is always zero and >infinity added with any number will as infinity! It is true that Zero X any number = Zero but Zero / any number = Infinity. it is not Zero. Where as Infinity X any number=Infinity and Infinity / any number= Infinity. Infact any opration with Infinity results in Infinity. That is not true with Zero. Moreover number that is getting operated by Zero or Infinity losses its Identity. So why do we call Zero and Infinity as Identity? Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2001 Report Share Posted February 15, 2001 Namaste Prabodhji: Your criticism is well taken and there are always caveats and when we try to jot down quickly, we always get into trouble (no caveats here!). Mathematics always get complicated while operating with negative numbers, zero, infinity and more specifically with respect to division and subtraction (also negative numbers) and mathematicians introduce exceptions for justifications. The world mathematicians do recognize that the concept of 'zero' and 'infinity' are originated in India. For algebraic operations 3 numbers are recognized as special elements - zero, infinity and also 1. If you notice, '1' has the similar property - any number divided by 1 or multiplied by 1 will remain unaffected! These are exceptions to the normal rules of algebra! If I go anything beyond, I will be violating the list policies with discussion of more mathematics and less vedanta. Some parts of mathematics has close resemblance to Vedanta and not all parts! regards, Ram Chandran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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