Guest guest Posted March 1, 2001 Report Share Posted March 1, 2001 >Anand Hudli wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:32:10 -0500, Chaitanya Bhagavat >> <chaitanya_bhagavat wrote: >> > > >Anand Hudli wrote: Shree Sundaram wrote: > >Whether lioness or domestic cat, the principle is the same viz. the mother >takes full responsibility for transporting the cub safely from point >A to point >B. >The cub makes no effort at all. This is known as the maarjaara nyaaya - >cat principle. >The opposite principle is the markata nyaaya - the monkey principle. In the >case >of the monkey, it is the cub that has to cling to the mother for dear life, >as the latter >jumps from tree to tree. The mother allows the hitch-hike, but takes no >responsibility >for safe transportation ! The cub is entirely responsible for its >own survival >during >the journey. > >Note that both examples refer to the transportation stage only. In advaita, >once you have lost your ego, you have already reached the destination. > > I have said something that just came to my mind. I hope it is not >irrelevant. > >V.M.Sundaram. As I understand the distinction between vaDahali and Tengalai in the Shree Vaishanavism essentially rests on this difference in the Sharanaagati - maarjaara and markata nyaaya-s - cat and monkey analogy. Anand - I looked at the write-up you had on Sharanaagati -- "The principle of sharaNAgati or prapatti as found in shrivaiShNava works is not found in advaita. The only advaitin that I know of who comes close to something like sharaNAgati is MadhusUdana SarasvatI. But then he seems to treat it the same as bhakti. The support for sharaNAgati is often claimed to be gItA verse 18.66 by the shrivaiShNavas, referring to the famous words "sarvadharmAn.h parityajya mAmekaM sharaNaM vraja ... This does not mean, MadhusUdana points out, that one should abandon all karmas/duties and surrender to God. This will be against the teaching of the gItA itself because it drives home the point that all actions should be performed with a sense of dedication of the fruits of those actions to God or abandoning only the fruits of actions." ----------------------------- As I understand - Bhagavaan Ramanuja does not interpret that sarvadharmaan prarityajya - involves giving up all the actions - The emphasis is only on kaikarya - offering to the Lord all actions and the fruits of the actions. Nitya naimittika karmas - daily and occasional obligatory duties must be performed that includes archarna, sandhyaavandana etc. What is surrendered is the ego at the altar of the Lord. What is give up includes kaamya and of course nishiddha karam-s. In vishishhTaadvaita surrenderance of ego involves recognizing the aswatantra aspect (dependence ) of the jiiva on the Lord and in fact the avidya that is talked about is exactly this - Jiva thinks he is swatantra operates with that notion and gets entangled in Maaya. The key Giita sloka 7-14 that is emphasized is - daivii hyeshhaa guNa mayii mama maaya duratyayaa, maamevaye prapadyante maayaametam tarantite - this maya of mine is of divine origin and is impossible to cross over by one's self-effort - Only surrendering to me one can overcome this maaya - Here me stands for Naarayaayan who is sarvaswatantra and is only one who can help in crossing this maaya - since rest of gods are considered as exhaulted jiiva-s only with limited powers that also given by the grace of NaaraayaNa. In the very Naaraayana Mantra - na ra and ayana - ra means that which gets destroyed and na ra means that which does not get destroyed - that includes three satyams- jiiva, jagat and paramaatma - ayana the very goal - hence NaarayaNa is the very goal for the rest of the two - They very substratum of the whole thing. There are various types of sharanaagati-s that are mentioned under prapatti - but the essence is the same - surrendering the one's will to the Lord and perform all nitya niamittika karmas as kainkarya to the Lord. Hence what is given up is only the notion of doer-ship and the fruits of the results - shesha- sheshi dharma involving dependence of jiiva, and purpose of the jiiva is to be involved in the service of the Lord. Service involve action hence action is not totally given up under prapatti. - but the acation is redircted towards the service of the Lord that involves - nitya naimittika karam-s - that includes bhaagavata seva - service of the Lord and service to the devotes of the Lord. One interesting note - I just learned from Shree Krishna Kalale that Shree Ramanuja and Shree Vedanta Deshika interpreted swadharma as karmayoga and paradharma as j~naanayoga - I am still waiting to learn the motivation behind this interpretation. Hari Om! Sadananda -- K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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