Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 Hari Om Nagu! Namaste, The enquiry "Whether or not Jnani dreams?," is essentially focuses on the fundamental question, "Who is a Jnani? or Why I am not a jnani? etc. We are dreamers, some of us dream during the night, some even during the day, and some others do all the time! There is nothing wrong in starting from silly question to find profound answer. In fact, we are better off this way than to start with a profound question and find silly answers. We can even draw examples from the scientific field on scientific discoveries started with simple questions which finally lead to profound answers. Finally, we all have a dream to be a Jnani some day. In this context when we become a Jnani, we will be (should be for consistency) left with no more dreams! warmest regards, Ram Chandran > I apologize for my ignorance. But what difference > does it make to a seeker whether or not Jnani > dreams?? Atleast he is a Jnani when he wakes up! > And how does knowing this particular info help or > hasten ones spiritual growth? This mind is not able > to figure out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 Hi Ram, - Ram Chandran Advaitin List Thursday, March 22, 2001 07:32 PM Re: Jnani's dreams Hari Om Nagu! Namaste, The enquiry "Whether or not Jnani dreams?," is essentially focuses on the fundamental question, "Who is a Jnani? or Why I am not a jnani? etc. We are dreamers, some of us dream during the night, some even during the day, and some others do all the time! San: On the contarary I would say the question, does a sage dream is a good question. When the "entitification" in a body-mind complex is non-voliotionally erased, in such a body-mind complex , which we popularly label Jnani or sage, does the same circus continue? Incidentally the night-dream in a sleep and the day-dream while in the so called waking state , are akin to each other, as far as the essence of what they signify, goes. To the dreamer of the night-dream sleep, the dreamed characters are very real, so real that the pathos and ethos of the dream character antics, bring out cold sweat in the sleeper's body. As real as the pathos and ethos of the waking dream which we call life. My two bits...... Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 Sandeep Chatterjee wrote: .................. > San: > > On the contarary I would say the question, does a sage dream is a good question. > > When the "entitification" in a body-mind complex is non-voliotionally erased, in such a body-mind complex , which we popularly label Jnani or sage, does the same circus continue? Hiya Sandeep, In the above sentence, you imply that something is erased in a body- mind complex and then it is changed into a Jnani. Does this *erasure* constitute the change from unenlightened to enlightened ? Regards V.M.Sundaram > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 Hi Sundaram, - V.M.Sundaram advaitin Friday, March 23, 2001 09:57 AM Re: Re: Jnani's dreams Sandeep Chatterjee wrote: ................. > San: > > On the contarary I would say the question, does a sage dream is a good question. > > When the "entitification" in a body-mind complex is non-voliotionally erased, in such a body-mind complex , which we popularly label Jnani or sage, does the same circus continue? Hiya Sandeep, In the above sentence, you imply that something is erased in a body- mind complex and then it is changed into a Jnani. San: There is no change in the body-mind complex which continues precisely as per it's alloted role and allotted life-span, as per it's innate conditionings. Conceptually speaking, Consciosuness, or Pure Subjectivity, or Awareness not aware of itself, or whatever term you wish to use, ends it's entitification, it's indentity with a individual entity and recovers it's "Universal Impersonalness". And since in any case the entitification did not existentially take place in the first place, even to say it is an "erasure" is, as I said, conceptual speaking. In the night-sleep-dream, you "created" the various "entities" and all the profound and profane ethos and pathos within the dream act. All very real.( You can dream a whole life-time, within couple of hours night-sleep) Waking up, next morning, sipping your cup of tea or coffee, would you say you erased those dream characters, or they are no longer of any relevance? Does this *erasure* constitute the change from unenlightened to enlightened ? The audience and the media labels so. The sage sips his cup of tea, smiling that there ever could be an "unenlightened state" which can move to an "enlightened state". Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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