Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 Another question about rudeness : Doesn't rudeness arise from an over-active ego whereas the aim of becoming a better human being (for a moment forget being "mokshed") is to sublimate the ego ? Buddhha and Jesus weren't rude... Why were these "dudes" (as Sandeep calls them) so considerate, polite and humane ? Makes you wonder what is it that Sandeep has that these "dudes" didn't ! Ram > > Gregory Goode [sMTP:goode] > Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:47 AM > advaitin; advaitin > Re: shri Sandeep Chatterjee's postings > > Sri Sadananda, Sri Gummuluru Murthy and others, > > Namaste, > > I concur with Sadananda's concurrence of the policy. :-) Sadananda makes > the interesting and always useful point that one can communicate without > hurting others. Another thing to remember, in terms of Chatterjee's > concepts, is that > > (i) just because one speaks in an iconoclastic manner does not mean > that this body/mind has no sense of "doership" present. > > and > > (ii) just because one speaks in a polite manner and enourages others > to do so does not mean that this body/mind is mired in the illusions > of a sense of personal doership. > > Sometimes (ot necessarily here) I have seen people adopt unpleasant > manners > as a way to demonstrate to others that the sense of doership has > disappeared. Consider the great ironies in this! > > Hari Om! > > --Greg > > > At 10:30 AM 3/27/01, Kuntimaddi Sadananda wrote: > >>>> > > Gummuluru Murthy gaaru > > My pranams - I concur the decision you made in filtering unfriendly > language > of posters. We have maitined the dignity the communications across and > should not compromise these at any cost. > > It is unfortunate the Shree Chatterjee's words of truth are packaged using > > unparlamentarian language - even if the contents are right, the external > package is bad - it is difficult to enjoy the contents. > > I think we should all remember that one can communicate the essense in a > language without hurting others. adviata does not mean anything in dwaita > > is O.K since as it is not the final truth. The whole of communication and > > the purpose of the list is in the realm of dwiata and whole of sadhana > involves dwaita and one opering with in vyavahaara. If I do not like > anyone > call me names, it is my dharma not to call others the names that I myself > do > not appreciate. This is simple commonsense or ethics or dharma that is > fundamental - even though the truth is beyond all these. adviata is an > understanding but operating involves dwaita and this list advacates that > one > should do vyavahaara in civilized manner while relaization of the truth of > > adviata is non-duality that we experience and operate with. This is the > methodology followed by our ancient teachers. Shankara taught advaita the > > thuth of non-duality while repecting his teachers and teacher's teachers > etc > and with love for his students who surrendered to him for knowledge. > These > are practical examples of how to live with the understanding of advaita in > > the duality of vyavahaara. > > I strongly endore the stand taken by Shree Murthy gaaru and the moderators > > in this episode. It is not the concepts that we are curtailing, which we > may and may not agree but the language in which these concpets are > packaged. > > I do hope all memebers participate freely but with civilian attitude with > the memebers without insulting the tradition of teachers the memebrs > respect. > > Hari Om! > Sadananda > camp: Cirencester, U.K. > > >Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy > >advaitin > >advaitin > >Re: shri Sandeep Chatterjee's postings > >Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:14:57 -0330 (NST) > > > > > >namaste to all. > > > >The following correspondence is attached. > > > >1. SC's letter to GM > >2. GM's response to SC > >3. SC's further response to GM > > > >This matter is now closed unless SC agrees for the moderation > >suggested in the letters. The moderation suggested is not in > >diluting the Truth which he wants to convey but presenting the > >material in a more dignified way suitable for the List. > > > >Anyone wishing to correspond with SC may do so in private e-mails. > > > >Regards > >Gummuluru Murthy > >------ > > > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > <http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com > > > Sponsor > <http://rd./M=170603.1361494.2950176.2/D=egroupmail/S=1700075991: > N/ > A=613945/?http://www.newaydirect.com>www.newaydirect.com > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/>http://www.eScribe.com/culture/a > dv > aitin/ > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > For details, visit: > </local/news.html>/local/new > s. > html > Post message: advaitin > Subscribe: advaitin- > Un: advaitin > URL to Advaitin: > <advaitin>adva > itin > File folder: > <advaitin>/gro > up > /advaitin > Link Folder: > <advaitin/links>/grou > p/ > advaitin/links > Messages Folder: > <advaitin/messages>/g > ro > up/advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to the > <> > <<<< > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > For details, visit: /local/news.html > Post message: advaitin > Subscribe: advaitin- > Un: advaitin > URL to Advaitin: advaitin > File folder: advaitin > Link Folder: advaitin/links > Messages Folder: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2001 Report Share Posted March 27, 2001 Miguel Angel Carrasco [macf12] Tuesday, March 27, 2001 12:05 AM advaitin shri Sandeep Chatterjee's postings I truely lament Sandeep's exclusion from posting to the list. I was finding his thoughts very interesting, and I don't think his language was that offensive (maybe because English not being my mother tongue it didn't shock me). Miguel-Angel __________ Respectfully Miguelji, you need not lament. You can still communicate with Sri Sandeepji by personal e-mail. Sandeepji also periodically contributes to the NDS and other lists and you can interact with him there as well. It seems there are many opportunities available for you (and others) who wish to benefit from Sri Sandeepji's company and words of wisdom. Sri Ramji has also gone even a step further and offered assistance to Sri Sandeepji in setting up his own list so that those interested in his insights have a place to gather and enjoy. Given the many possibilities you have for further contact and interaction with Sri Sandeepji, there is no cause for sorrow Miguelji. Why should it be important that you must only interact with Sri Sandeepji here on the Advaitin list and not elsewhere. You may disagree with the decision of Sri Murthyji and other moderators of the list. However, they have always acted with honesty and impeccable integrity and have remained true to the purpose and the spirit of the Advaitin list. They have taken on the responsibility of managing the Advaitin list and we respect their efforts and sound judgment. There are literally thousands of lists for everyone to choose from. Every list cannot satisfy everyone's need or even be appropriate for everyone. Be of good cheer my friend Miguel. Enjoy and let others enjoy. Live and let live. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 namaste to all. The past week has seen a few ripples in the List deliberations. It is regrettable the reverberations are still going on here and there. Let us bring a closure to this issue. As shri Harshaji pointed out, the moderators acted in the best interests of the List. Shri Sandeep is a member of the List, and is very much available for private communication. He can still post on this List under the guidelines suggested. So, no untoward injury is caused. He is also available on many other Lists. Let us leave this episode behind and move forward in our contemplation of the Absolute following bhagavatpAda shri shankara's teachings, for, ultimately, that is the objective of the List. Regards Gummuluru Murthy Chief Moderator ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 __________ > Respectfully Miguelji, you need not lament. You can still communicate with > Sri Sandeepji by personal e-mail. Sandeepji also periodically contributes to > the NDS and other lists and you can interact with him there as well. The lament about Sandeep's being muzzled on this list is appropriate. For me, Miguel, it was good to get a look at the 'fruits' that have been born of all this scholarly knowledge. It was good to see what is really being cultivated here, underneath all those polite words and 'words of wisdom'. Shake a few trees, kick a few 'sacred cows', and it's hard to tell this place from a southern baptist congregation. (No offense to the southern baptists). Sandeep did some of us a very big favor here. He stirred up enough dust to show me where to, and where not to, focus my time and attention. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 ed-peterson [ed-peterson] Wednesday, March 28, 2001 10:56 AM advaitin Re: shri Sandeep Chatterjee's postings The lament about Sandeep's being muzzled on this list is appropriate. For me, Miguel, it was good to get a look at the 'fruits' that have been born of all this scholarly knowledge. It was good to see what is really being cultivated here, underneath all those polite words and 'words of wisdom'. Shake a few trees, kick a few 'sacred cows', and it's hard to tell this place from a southern baptist congregation. (No offense to the southern baptists). Sandeep did some of us a very big favor here. He stirred up enough dust to show me where to, and where not to, focus my time and attention. Ed _________________________ The moderators of Advaitin have gone out of their way to be tolerant, patient, and helpful. They have borne childish insults directed at them. No one is forcing you or anyone else to remain here Edji. What is the point in continuing all this and disrupting the list from its main course? Are you not trying to impose your will on the majority of members? Be in peace. If you do not like how the list is operating, leave in peace. That is honorable. Love Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 > That is honorable. > Honorable? ROFLMAO! > Love > Harsha Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 ed-peterson [ed-peterson] > That is honorable. > Honorable? ROFLMAO! > Love > Harsha Ed Hi Ed. Laughter is a wonderful thing! By the way, your energy signature is very much like Melody on NDS who is a "friend-student" of Sandeep. Do you know her? Love Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 advaitin, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: > > ed-peterson@u... [ed-peterson@u...] > > > That is honorable. > > > > Honorable? > > ROFLMAO! > > > > Love > > Harsha > > Ed > > Hi Ed. Laughter is a wonderful thing! By the way, your energy signature is > very much like Melody on NDS who is a "friend-student" of Sandeep. I take that as a compliment, though it hardly sounds like one based on your 'energy signature'. > Do you > know her? Very well! > > Love > Harsha Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 > > > > Love > > Harsha Hey, Harsha. I just spoke with Melody. She says now is just about the time you in a dialogue - having been refused the required measure of respect you demand - that you take your 'ahimsa' gloves off. She says to watch your left cross. She says when you punch you do it with a smile, and then say, "I was just kidding. I really do love you, you know." Is that true, Harsha? Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 ed-peterson [ed-peterson] Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:11 PM advaitin Re: shri Sandeep Chatterjee's postings Hey, Harsha. I just spoke with Melody. She says now is just about the time you in a dialogue - having been refused the required measure of respect you demand - that you take your 'ahimsa' gloves off. She says to watch your left cross. She says when you punch you do it with a smile, and then say, "I was just kidding. I really do love you, you know." Is that true, Harsha? Ed It is true Melody. :-). Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 She says when > you punch you do it with a smile, and then > say, "I was just kidding. I really do love > you, you know." > > Is that true, Harsha? > > > Ed > > It is true Melody. :-). > > Harsha LOL! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Thommandra, Rama K wrote: "Buddhha and Jesus weren't rude... Why were these "dudes" (as Sandeep calls them) so considerate, polite and humane ?" I disagree. I don't know a lot about Buddha's life, but I do about Jesus's. And he wasn't polite at all towards those he disagreed with. For example, just consider his very harsh and clearly offensive words about the scribes and pharisees. He doesn't just criticise them, he insults them. He calls them "ravenous wolves in sheep's clothing" (Matt 7,15), "hypocrites" (Matt 23, 7+15+23+25+29), "blind fools" (Matt 23,17), "whitened sepulchres" (Matt 23,27), "serpents that you are, brood of vipers" (Matt 23,33). Jesus sometimes even resorted to violence. Just consider this episode: "In the temple he found the merchants selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting at their trade. So he made a kind of whip out of cords, and drove them all, with their sheep and and oxen, out of the temple, spilling the bankers' coins and overthrowing their tables. (Jn. 2,14-15) Or consider these words of his: "Do not imagine that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have come to bring a sword, not peace. I have come to set a man at variance with his father, and the daughter with her mother." (Matt 10,34) So don't tell me that Jesus was considerate and polite. Miguel-Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2001 Report Share Posted March 28, 2001 Hi Ed, Follow Sandeep and keep exciting your mind. One day it will calm down. Then come back to this list. It is then you will be ready to learn and teach. -- Vis ----------------- - <ed-peterson <advaitin> Wednesday, March 28, 2001 5:36 PM Re: shri Sandeep Chatterjee's postings > > > That is honorable. > > > > Honorable? > > ROFLMAO! > > > > Love > > Harsha > > Ed > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > For details, visit: /local/news.html > Post message: advaitin > Subscribe: advaitin- > Un: advaitin > URL to Advaitin: advaitin > File folder: advaitin > Link Folder: advaitin/links > Messages Folder: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2001 Report Share Posted March 29, 2001 advaitin, ed-peterson@u... wrote: > She says when > > you punch you do it with a smile, and then > > say, "I was just kidding. I really do love > > you, you know." > > > > Is that true, Harsha? > > > > > > Ed > > > > It is true Melody. :-). > > > > Harsha > > > LOL! :-) Ed is way out of line even on my list, which is known for it's minimal moderation. Has anyone else sat alone with Harsha at a table in a dark room with only a candle lit between the two of you, and conversed for an hour? has anyone here walked silently arm in arm with Harsha? I have. My support to all lists as they choose to be and to striving to know others. Things would be a lot different if we were together in a room and not on a safe email list. Jerry Katz Nonduality Salon Community Initiative http://www.nonduality.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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