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to the erudite schlors on the list,

I have a problem in the definition of atman as a reflection. A reflection is

unreal., whereas atman is part of brahman is it not? A wave in the ocean is

not separate from the water,same way atman can be equated with wave and

brahman to the ocean.Could anyone comment on this

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Namaste,

 

Another simile used is that of sparks from a fire.

 

Going back to the etymology of Atman, the source of the original

posting seems to have have been in error. The Monier-Williams

Dictionary gives the following:

 

Entry Atman

 

Meaning %{A} m. (variously derived fr. %{an} , to breathe ; %{at} ,

to move ; %{vA} , to blow ; cf. %{tma4n}) the breath RV. ; the soul ,

principle of life and sensation RV. AV. &c. ; the individual soul ,

self , abstract individual [e.g. %{Atma4n}]

 

 

Entry tman

 

Meaning (= %{Atma4n}) m. the vital breath RV. i , 63 , 8 (acc. %

{tma4nam}) A1s3vS3r. vi , 9 , 1 (acc. %{tmAnam}) ; one's own person ,

self RV.

 

 

Regards,

 

s.

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin, colette@b... wrote:

> advaitin, slimaye@a... wrote:

>

> >whereas atman is part of brahman is it not?

>

> A wave in the

> ocean is

> > not separate from the water,same way atman can be equated with

wave

> and

> > brahman to the ocean.Could anyone comment on this

> > Nirmala

>

>

> Love to my brothers & my sisters,

>

> Col

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namaste.

 

As I understand, the Atman, brahman, the Absolute refer to the

same, although used in different contexts.

 

Brahman is the substratum for the universe. When we *see* the

universe around us, we recognize that it is brahman manifested

in that form. Atman is the Consciousness that I am and is the

subject and is the only subject, everything 'else' being object.

Also, the object is nothing but the subject, or the subject

itself appears as an object.

>From my understanding, Atman is not a reflection of brahman.

But the jIvAtma (I use the word jIvA for it) is a reflection

of the Atman in the individual cit or citta, the subtlest

antahkaraNa.

 

I like the following example that helps in the understanding.

Let us say the Sun's reflection is found in one hundred vessels

with water. The single Sun appears as one hundred Suns in the

reflection. Now if one of the vessels is broken, what happens

to that reflection? The reflection merges with the original Sun.

That vessel can be taken as the jIvA who considers him/herself

to be separate from the other vessels (jIvAs) with its own AtmA,

which is only a reflection of the original Sun. The reflection

will be as clear as the original (Sun) if the water in the

vessel (the antahkaraNa) is pure. The hundred vessels (jIvAs)

consider themselves to be separate but on attaining knowledge

(i.e. when the individuality is lost), they see only the

single Sun and not the reflection.

 

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 sunderh wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Another simile used is that of sparks from a fire.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> s.

>

> [...]

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advaitin, Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy@m...> wrote:

>

> namaste.

>

> As I understand, the Atman, brahman, the Absolute refer to the

> same, although used in different contexts.

>

> Brahman is the substratum for the universe. When we *see* the

> universe around us, we recognize that it is brahman manifested

> in that form. Atman is the Consciousness that I am and is the

> subject and is the only subject, everything 'else' being object.

> Also, the object is nothing but the subject, or the subject

> itself appears as an object.

>

> From my understanding, Atman is not a reflection of brahman.

> But the jIvAtma (I use the word jIvA for it) is a reflection

> of the Atman in the individual cit or citta, the subtlest

> antahkaraNa.

 

I like this. Thanks Gummuluru.

 

:-)

 

Col

>

> I like the following example that helps in the understanding.

> Let us say the Sun's reflection is found in one hundred vessels

> with water. The single Sun appears as one hundred Suns in the

> reflection. Now if one of the vessels is broken, what happens

> to that reflection? The reflection merges with the original Sun.

> That vessel can be taken as the jIvA who considers him/herself

> to be separate from the other vessels (jIvAs) with its own AtmA,

> which is only a reflection of the original Sun. The reflection

> will be as clear as the original (Sun) if the water in the

> vessel (the antahkaraNa) is pure. The hundred vessels (jIvAs)

> consider themselves to be separate but on attaining knowledge

> (i.e. when the individuality is lost), they see only the

> single Sun and not the reflection.

>

>

> Regards

> Gummuluru Murthy

> -

>

>

> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 sunderh wrote:

>

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Another simile used is that of sparks from a fire.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > s.

> >

> > [...]

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