Vedism

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Dear Advaitins,

Let me just tell you all one thing. Vedas are centered around the sun. As the

Veda states it, suryah aatma jagatah tasthushashca, surya is the self of every

conscious or unconscious thing. Believe me, it is the greatest science, it is

the method to obtain the supreme state of consciousness. And the describer of

this method is not somebody, not even God in the form of a Human, like Krishna

etc. it is The Supreme himself. Do you think, in that case, any letter can be

incorrect? Any concept can be incorrect? Rig-veda is the most ancient book, it

is the first book. It is the first document of knowledge, handed over in the

beginning of the creation to the man for his prosperity, mental, physical,

spiritual and on every other level. I promise you, my dear friend, any thing

described in this book, is true on every level, may it be cosmological, physical

or spiritual. The Rig-veda tells us that the moon takes 27 days for an orbit

around the earth. It tells us, that the sun light consists out of 7 rays. It

tells us that earth orbits around the sun. And it would tell us more than that,

just a person is needed to look in to it.

 

The Kuran and the old testament (Bible) starts with condemning sun worshipping.

This is a best proof that they all were sun worshippers. And once up on a time

this Vedic culture was prominent around the whole world. Look in to the History,

the sun worshippers were the most wealthiest folk. See, at the Egyptians,

Indians, Incas and so many others. They all were sun worshippers. And if you

don't believe me, go to and search *sun worshipping*. Then try to read

that what you get, you would find that once up on a time, the entire world was

sun worshipper. Sun worshipping is the center of the Vedas. Every name Indra,

Yama, Varuna etc. all they are just names of the sun. Even Agni doesn't mean

fire, but sun. Today the scholars wouldn't accept it, but I have proofs and NO

BODY CAN REFUTE THEM. If you have a Gita, try to read the Shloka 9, 10, 11 of

the 8th chapter, and you would understand what I mean. Just mind my words, this

lost religion was the only true world religion and the religion of every body

once up on a time. It is now our duty to rebuild it's structure and reintroduce

it to the world. Without this, the world is heading towards destruction, total

destruction. If this religion is not reintroduced, the earth is going to become

Mars very soon, having lost all it's signs of life. The creator has been

forgiving us till now, but till when? I think we should hear what he says in the

Rig-veda. The time has come. Well, this is our task and WE WOULD GAIN IT.

 

The entire Europe, America, Africa, Australia and Asia were sun worshippers. The

only existing religion which is the most near to Rig-veda, is the Parasi

religion, which some people think to be Muslims. Parsis are more Vedic, than the

Hindu's of today. We have lost our true culture. Do you know, Indian lost the

interest in the meaning of the Vedas, even before 1000 BC and there were very

few people left, which knew the meaning. The rest were just reciting the Mantra,

but had nothing to do with the meaning. And it was those people who wrote the

Puranas etc. and made a joke out of this great culture. I would just say, in the

words of the vedas "uttishthata jaagrata" ( = awaken! stand up!) and come back

to the true religion, to the greatest religion, to the only religion of this

world, to the religion of your ancestors. In the end, a prayer in the Vedic

words, "I bow to those Rishi's, who were our ancestors and who made the path for

us (for self realization)".

 

Our India is fortunate that those Great Rishi's lived in this country once up on

time and inspired the whole world with their true knowledge, in a time when

there were no computers and internet, like we do have today. More than that,

they realized this supreme science in the mountains of Himalayas, surely many of

them in Kashmir. That is why this country was called "bhaarata" (engaged in

light = knowledge). Bhaarata was the world master and it would become the world

master again. As soon as we become conscious about our true culture, there is

nothing to hold us back from India becoming the master of the world. Note down

these words.

 

"Shrinvantu vishve amritasya putraah = may all the sons of the immortal supreme

listen to me", says the Veda. Look at the word "vishva" used in it.

 

Just one question, we kill our selves on the frontier for our motherland, but is

that only desha-bhakti. Is maatri-bhuumi only the ground and a piece of earth? I

think, culture + land = our country. If our culture is not here, than we are

still aliens to our own land, isn't it. What have we done for our culture? Are

our mothers ready to give up there sons for this culture? I think they should.

Not only for the land, but also for the culture. So, please open your eyes, wake

up and stand up and do something, if you want to do something for your country.

 

There is a very nice saying, quoted in the commentaries of the Upanishads.

"Among all the creators, human is the most fortunate, among humans a brahmana,

among brahmana's a Veda follower".

 

A person who has the Vedas in his words, has the most effective, dominant,

powerful words and is heard among thousand, as THE VEDAS ARE THE SUPREME TRUTH.

(the Vedas tell us this).

 

You all are from a land, where all the Rishi's were living, you have the lost

and forgotten spirit in you. Do something, to awake it, to remember it. That is

all, what I ask you, nothing more than that. Brahmanatvasya hi rakshanena

rakshitah syaad vaidiko dharmah, says Shankaracharya. Only when Brahmanatva

would be preserved, the Vedic religion can be preserved. So preserve it! Please,

Please, Please..............

 

I think, we should even learn something from Hitler and Napoleon, how they

changed the fortune of the World. Let us wake up and do something similar as

they did, but only in peaceful way. We have not to conquer the people and the

nations, but the hearts. We are like Hanuman, we have forgotten out strength and

power, so we should remember it now and then regain it, which is preserved in

our soul, as we are the successor of the greatest heritage in this world handed

over by our ancestors in the form of the book of the Vedas.

 

This is not a dream, all this would become true. You would see. Our vedas say,

diirgham pashyenmaa hrasvam. Look far, don't look near. The Veda has the power

to make this become true. I promise you...

 

Jayatu vedah, jayatu bhaaratam.

 

In the humble service of the Veda,

 

Siddhartha

 

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Friends,

 

I reproduce below the discourse of Kanchi Paramachaarya on the

topic " Sanathana Dharma -- The Universal Religion" as translated by

Sri RGK in the book Hindu Dharma, published by Bharatiya Vidya

Bhavan. This gives evidences for those statements made by Sri.

Siddhartha Krishna.

 

This chapter is available in the following link.

http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part2/chap2.htm

 

"In the dim past what we call Hinduism today was prevalent all over

the world. Archaeological studies reveal the existence of relics of

our Vedic religion in many countries. For instance, excavations have

brought up the text of a treaty between Rameses II and the Hittites

dating back to the 14th century B. C. In this, the Vedic gods Mitra

and Varuna are mentioned as witnesses to the pact. There is a

connection between the name of Ramesses and that of our Rama.

 

About 75 per cent of the names of places in Madagascar have a

Sanskritic origin.

 

In the Western Hemisphere too there is evidence of Hinduism having

once flourished there. In Mexico a festival is celebrated at the same

time as our Navaratri; it is called "Rama-Sita". Wherever the earth

is dug up images of Ganapati are discovered here. The Aztecs had

inhabitated Mexico before the Spaniards conquered that

land. "Aztecs " must be a distorted form of "Astikas". In Peru,

during the time of the holy equinox [vernal? ] worship was conducted

in the sun temple. The people of this land were called Incas: "Ina"

is one of the Sanskrit names of the sun god. Don't we call Rama

Inakula-tilaka?

 

There is book containing photographs of the aborigines of Australia

dancing in the nude (The Native Tribes of Central Australia, by

Spencer Killan, pages 128 & 129). A close look at the pictures,

captioned "Siva Dance", shows that the dancers have a third eye drawn

on the forehead.

 

In a virgin forest in Borneo which, it is said, had not been

penetrated by any human being until recently, explorers have found a

sacrificial post with an inscription in a script akin to our Granthas

characters. Historians know it as the inscription of Mulavarman of

Kotei. Mention is made in it of a sacrifice, the king who performed

it, the place where the yupas was installed. That the king gave away

kalpavrksass as a gift to Brahmins is also stated in this

inscription. All such details were discovered by Europeans, the very

people who ridicule our religion.

 

Now something occurs to me in this context, something that you may

find amusing. You know that the Sagaras went on digging the earth

down to the nether world in search of their sacrificial horse. An

ocean came into being in this way and it was called sagara after the

king Sagara.

 

The Sagaras, at last found the horse near the hermitage of Kapila

Maharsi. Thinking that he must be the man who had stolen the animal

and hidden it in the nether world they laid violent hands on him.

Whereupon the sage reduced them to ashes with a mere glance of his

eye. Such is the story according to the Ramayana. America, which is

at the antipodes, may be taken to Patala or the nether world.

Kapilaranya(the forest in which Kapila had his hermitage), we may

further take it, was situated there. It ia likely that Kapilaranya

changed to California in the same manner as Madurai is something

altered to "Marudai". Also noteworthy is the fact that there is a

Horse Island near California as well as an Ash Island.

 

Another idea occurs to me about Sagara and sagara. Geologists believe

that ages ago the Sahara desert was an ocean. It seems to me that

Sahara is derived from sagara.

 

Some historians try to explain the evidence pointing to the worldwide

prevalence of our religion in the past to the exchange of cultural

and religious ideas between India and other countries established

through travels. I myself believe that there was one common religion

or dharma throughout and that the signs and symbols that we find of

this today are the creation of the original inhabitants of the lands

concerned.

 

The view put forward by some students of history about the discovery

of the remnants of our religion in other countries- these relating to

what is considered the historical period of the past two or three

thousand years- is that Indians went to these lands, destroyed the

old native civilizations there and imposed Hindu culture in their

place. Alternatively, they claim, Indians thrust their culture into

the native ways of life in such a way that it became totally absorbed

in them.

 

The fact, however, is that evidence is to be found in many countries

of their Vedic connection dating back to 4, 000 years or more. That

is, with the down of civilisation itself, aspects of the Vedic

dharama existed in these lands. It was only subsequently that the

inhabitants of these regions came to have a religion of their own.

 

Greece had an ancient religion and had big temples where various

deities were worshipped. The Hellenic religion had Vedic elements in

it. The same was the case with the Semitic religions of the pre-

Christian era in the region associated with Jesus. The aborigines of

Mexico had a religion of their own. They shared the Vedic view of the

divine in the forces of nature and worshipped them as deities. There

was a good deal of ritual in all such religions.

 

Now none of these religions, including that of Greece, survives. The

Greek civilization had once attained to the heights of glory. Now

Christianity flourishes in Greece. Buddhism has spread in Central

Asia and in East Asia up to Japan. According to anthropologists,

religions in their original form exist only in areas like the forests

of Africa. But even these ancient faiths contain Vedic elements.

 

Religious and philosophical truths are often explained through

parables, stories, so that ignorant people can understand them

easily. Since metaphysical concepts are difficult to grasp, either

they have to be told in the form of a story or they have to be given

the form of a ritual, that is they must find expression as religious

acts. For the common people the performance of a rite is a means of

finding the truth present in it in the form of a symbol. I do not,

however, agree with the view that all rituals are nothing but

symbolic in their significance and that there is no need to perform

them so long as their inner meaning is understood.

 

Ritual as ritual has its own place and efficacy. Similarly, I would

not say that stories from the Puranas are nothing but illustrations

or explanations of certain truths or doctrines. As stories they are

of a high order and I believe that they really happened. But, at the

same time, they demonstrate the meaning of certain truths. As for

rites, their performance brings up benefits. But in due course, as we

learn to appreciate their inner meaning we shall become purified in

mind. This is the stage when we shall no more yearn for any benefits

from their performance and will be rewarded with supreme well-being

(that is, liberation).

 

It is likely, though, that, with the passage of time, some stories or

rites will become far removed from their inner meaning. Or, it may

be, the inner meaning will be altogether forgotten. So it must be

that, when new religions took shape abroad, after the lapse of

thousands of years-religions not connected with the Vedic faith that

is the root-the original Vedic concepts become transformed or

distorted.

 

You must be familiar with the story of Adam and Eve which belongs to

the Hebrew tradition. It occurs in the Genesis of the Old Testament

and speaks of the tree of knowledge and God's commandment that its

fruit shall not be eaten. Adam at first did not eat it but Eve did.

After that Adam too ate the forbidden fruit.

 

Here an Upanisadic concept has taken the form of a biblical story.

But because of the change in the time and place the original idea has

become distorted-or even obliterated.

 

The Upanisadic story speaks of two birds perched on the branch of a

pippala tree. One eats the fruit of tree while the order merely

watches its companion without eating. The pippala tree stands for the

body. The first bird represents a being that regards himself as the

jivatman or individual self and the fruit it eats signifies sensual

pleasure. In the same body (symbolished by the tree) the second bird

is to be understood as the Paramatman. He is the support of all

beings but he does not know sensual pleasure. Since he does not eat

the fruit he natuarlly does not have the same experience as the

jivatman (the first). The Upanisad speaks with poetic beauty of the

two birds. He who eats the fruit is the individual self, jiva, and he

who does not eat is the Supreme Reality, the one who knows himself to

be the Atman.

 

It is this jiva that has come to be called Eve in the Hebrew

religious tradition. "Ji" changes to "i" according to a rule of

grammar and "ja" to "ya". We have the example of "Yamuna"

becoming "Jamuna" or of "Yogindra" being changed to "Joginder ". In

the biblical story "jiva" is "Eve" and "Atma" (or "Atman")

is "Adam". "Pippala" has in the same way changed to "apple". The Tree

of Knowledge is our "bodhi-vrksa". "Bodha" means "knowledge". It is

well known that the Budhha attained enlightenment under the bodhi

tree. But the pipal (pippala) was known as the bodhi tree even before

his time.

 

The Upanisadic ideas transplanted into a distant land underwent a

change after the lapse of centuries. Thus we see in the biblical

story that the Atman (Adam) that can never be subject to sensual

pleasure also eats the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. While our

bodhi tree stands for enlightenment, the enlightenment that banishes

all sensual pleasure, the biblical tree affords worldly pleasure.

These differences notwithstanding there is sufficient evidence here

that, once upon a time, Vedic religion was prevalent in the land of

the Hebrews.

 

Let me give the another example to srengthen the view that however

much a custom or a concept changes with the passage of time and with

its acceptance by people of another land, it will still retain

elements pointing to its original source. Our TiruppavaiT and

TiruvembavaiT are not as ancient as the Vedas. Scholars ascribe them

to an age not later than 1, 500 years ago. However it be, the authers

of these Tamil hymns, AndalT and ManikkavacakarT, belong to an age

much later than that of the Vedas and epics. After their time Hindu

empires arose across the seas. Even the Cola kings extended their

sway beyond the shores of the country. More worthy of note than our

naval expeditions was the great expansion in our sea trade and the

increase with it of our foreign contacts. As a result, people abroad

were drawn to the Hindu religion and culture. Among the regions that

developed such contacts, South-East Asia was the most important.

Islands like Bali in the Indonesian archipelago became wholly Hindu.

People in Siam (Thailand), IndoChina and the Philippines came under

the influence of Hindu culture. Srivijaya was one of the great

empires of South-East Asia.

 

[Here the Paramaguru briefly touches upon the stages representing the

emergence of various religions]. In primeval times the Vedic riligion

was prevalent everywhere: this was the first stage. In the second

stage new religions emerged in various parts of of the world. In the

third stage these decayed and their place was taken by Buddhism,

Christianity or Islam. In the subsequent stage the Hindu civilization

became a living force outside the shores of India also, particularly

in South-East Asia. This was the period during which great temples

reminding us of those of Tamil Nadu arose with the spread of our

religion and culture: Angkor-vat in Cambodia; Borobudur in Java,

Indonesia; Prambanan, also in Java. Now it was that our Tiruppavai

and Tiruvembavai made their passage to Thailand.

 

Even today a big festival is held in Thailand in December- January,

corresponding to the Tamil Margazhi, the same month during which we

read the Tiruppavai and Tiruvembavai with devotion. As part of the

celebrations a dolotsava (swing festival) is held. A remarkable

feature of this is that, in the ceremony meant for Visnu, a man with

the make-up of Siva is seated on the swing. This seems to be in

keeping with the fact that the Tiruppavai and Tiruvembavai contribute

to the unification of Vaisnavism and Saivism.

 

If you ask the people of Thailand about the Pavai poems, they will

not be able to speak about them. It might seem then that there is no

basis for connecting the that festival with the Pavai works merely

because it is held in the month corresponding to the Tamil Murgazhi.

But the point to note is that the people of that country themselves

call it "Triyampavai- Trippavai".

 

Those who read the Bible today are likely to be ignorant about the

Upanisads, but they are sure to know the story that can be traced

back to them, that of Adam and Eve. The Thais now must be likewise

ignorant about the Pavis but, all the same, they hold in the month of

Dhanus every year a celebration called "Triyampavai - Trippavai. " As

part of it they also have a swing festival in which figures a man

dressed as Siva. Here the distortion in the observance of a rite have

occurred during historical times- one of the distortions is that of

Siva being substituted for Visnu. Also during this period the Thais

have forgotten the Pavis but, significantly enough, they still

conduct a festival named after them. Keeping these before you, take

mind back to three thousand years ago and imagine how a religion or a

culture would have changed after its passage to foreign lands.

 

It is in this context that you must consider the Vedic tradition. For

all the changes and distortions that it has undergone in other

countries during the past millennia its presence there is still

proclaimed through elements to be found in the religions that

supplanted it.

 

How are we to understand the presence of Hindu ideas or concepts in

the religious beliefs of people said to belong to prehistoric times?

It does not seem right to claim that in the distant past our religion

or culture was propagated in other countries through an armed

invasion or through trade, that is at a time when civilization itself

has not taken shape there. That is why I feel that there is no

question of anything having been taken from this land and introduced

into another country. The fact according to me, is that in the

beginning the Vedic religion was prevalent all over the world. Later,

over the countries, it must have gone through a process of change and

taken different forms. These forms came to be called the original

religions of these various lands which in the subsequent period-

during historical times- came under Buddhism, Christianity or Islam

as the case may be. "

 

Copyright : Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, Bombay, India.

 

Pranaams.

 

Kameshwaran

 

advaitin, "Siddhartha Krishna" <siddharthakrishna@v...>

wrote:

 

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Just mind my words, this lost religion was the only true world

religion and the religion of every body once up on a time. It is now

our duty to rebuild it's structure and reintroduce it to the world. >

Jayatu vedah, jayatu bhaaratam.

>

> In the humble service of the Veda,

>

> Siddhartha

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