Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 colette wrote: > > Existence perceives. > > (emptiness cognizes) > this is like the postulate of rinzai-zen the lightning-strike school of primal love, impaling the genius-feeble Mind of Man. (just saw the blue-white dot of my lsd-memory coding...so i know this is a good pointer..;-) and my favorite most: "a equals a, therefore a is not equal to a." __________ we soar natura song celestial every now...'suffering' or not. i love iam thou art iam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 Birds in the sky and fish in water Dart and leave no track behind. And none can trace the path by which The sages journeyed to the Self. Sri Murugunar ~~~~~~~~~~~~ from ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Mountain Path , april 1975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 Hello everyone & welcome to Rick whom I know from another list. It is interesting for me that a few friends are also discussing elsewhere this 'notion' of Self or is it no self, & Anatman & Atman, & Existence no existence :-) And then there's dear Frank who calls it all mystery! I am further exploring the similarities between Buddhism & advaita .. Hi to {{Caroline}} who is a member of this list too. advaitin, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: > Ultimately the mystery of existence is tied to the mystery of > perception. What is it that we are truly able to perceive without > interpretation? Whatever must be given interpretation is necessarily going > to > be distorted. Just recently I was blest to have found the writings of a dear Buddhist soul called Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche. I will share some of His words as they clarify for me that which is empty & it's relationship with thought .. > > Yet there are moments in life which require no > interpretation until they are remembered. I see what you mean cause on the one hand there may be immediate cognizance or intuited information, & on the other hand there may be a gap or straining of the natural flow as the ego projects an interpretation through the distorting lens of the conditioned personality. It can feel contracting & may squeeze what Is, into limitation. When two lovers meet there comes a > moment of being without interpretation. It may be in a simple embrace or > after > the consummation. When a child is held by his mother, a similar moment > arises > for the child. Yes, it's like Be empty to be filled. If we try to receive through the projection then we squeeze It. > > Such moments point to or indicate the possibility which is always > alive in us. Self-Realization is simply that. It is infinity caught in the > moment and the moment expanded to infinity. Whether one is sipping tea, > playing chess, in meditation, with friends, family, etc., that moment is > always there. It is just You. So ultimately the mystery of existence is tied > to the mystery of perception. What is it that we are truly able to perceive > without interpretation? Whatever must be given interpretation is necessarily > going to be distorted. What is it that requires no interpretation? I will share dear Tulku now .. I like it because though it points to no thingness it also acknowledges perception which is what you are speaking of .. I guess the limited mind would ask itself .. How can a no thing perceive!? And yet that is the mystery, for It is not limited. "If you believe there is a thing called mind, it is just a thought. If you believe there is no thing called mind, it's just another thought. Your natural state, free of any kind of thought about it — that is buddhanature. Mind is similar to space, in that it is insubstantial, not material. Isn't it quite amazing that something that is insubstantial is also able to experience?" Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche More from him ... "Please consider this: right now, you have a body, a voice and a mind, don't you? Of these, mind is the most important. Isn't it true that your body and voice are the servants of mind? Mind is the boss, and here comes more about mind. The five physical elements of earth, fire, water, wind and space do not perceive. Mind, in contrast, means that which can experience; that which perceives. The five sense organs of eyes, ears, tongue, nose and body do not perceive and experience. A corpse possesses the five sense organs, yet a corpse does not perceive, because it doesn't have a mind. The term corpse means that the mind has departed. We say that the eyes see, that the ears hear, that the tongue tastes, the nose smells and so forth—but it is only possible for this to happen when there is a mind to experience through the senses. The moment what we call consciousness, mind or spirit leaves the body, the five sense organs are still there; but there is no experience taking place through them. Mind means that which knows pleasure and pain. Of all the different things in this world, only mind experiences and perceives; nothing else. Therefore, mind is the root of all states—all samsaric as well as all nirvanic states. Without mind there would be nothing to feel or perceive in this world. If there were nothing that feels or perceives in this world, the world would be utterly empty, wouldn't it? Mind is completely empty, but it is at the same time able to perceive, to know. The three lower realms are arrayed according to the degree of pain experienced in each, just as the three higher realms are arrayed according to degrees of pleasure. Everything is based on that which feels pleasure and pain, which is mind. In other words, mind is the basis or root of everything. Mind is empty, and while being empty, it still knows or experiences. Space is empty and does not know anything. That is the difference between space and mind. Mind is similar to space, in that it is insubstantial, not material. Isn't it quite amazing that something that is insubstantial is also able to experience? There is mind, but it is not tangible or substantial. You cannot say that there is no mind because it is the basis of everything; it is that which experiences every possible thing. You cannot say really that there is a thing called mind, and yet at the same time you cannot say that there is no mind. It lies beyond both extremes of being and not being. That is why it is said, "Not existent, since even a buddha does not see it; not nonexistent, since it is the basis of both samsara and nirvana." If we were without a mind, we would be corpses. You are not corpses, are you? But can you say that there is a mind that you can see, hear, smell, taste or take hold of? Honestly, you can continue to search for it exactly like this, scrutinizing for a billion years, and you will never be able to find mind as something that either exists or doesn't. It is truly beyond both extremes of existence and nonexistence. The absence of contradiction between these two is the principle of the MiddleWay—that mind is beyond conflict between existence and nonexistence. We do not have to hold the idea that there is a concrete mind or that there isn't. Mind in itself is natural "thatness," meaning that it is an unformed unity of being empty and cognizant. The Buddha called this unformed unity shunyata, emptiness. Shunye means while the -ta in shunyata, the `-ness' in emptiness, should be understood as meaning "able to cognize." In this way, mind is empty cognizance. Natural thatness means just like that. Just recognize that fact, without coloring it with any kind of idea about it. If you believe there is a thing called mind, it is just a thought. If you believe thereis no thing called mind, it's just another thought. Your natural state, free of any kind of thought about it—that is buddha nature. " Peace, Colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 Existence perceives. (emptiness cognizes) Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 advaitin, f maiello <egodust@d...> wrote: > colette wrote: > > > > Existence perceives. > > > > (emptiness cognizes) > > > > this is like the postulate of rinzai-zen > the lightning-strike school of primal love, > impaling the genius-feeble Mind of Man. > > (just saw the blue-white dot of my > lsd-memory coding...so i know this > is a good pointer..;-) > > and my favorite most: > > "a equals a, therefore a is not equal to a." > __________ > > we soar natura song celestial > every now...'suffering' or not. > > i love iam > thou art iam Oh Frank}}}} natura is singing Love is empty & full I Is I Know I Is Therefore I Am ;-) Existence is in Love with Itself! And Krishna plays His flute & Life sings. Existence & Life are Lovers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 colette wrote: > > Existence is in Love with Itself! > wasssuuuuuup! true. true. :-)) hahaha!! this is as good as it gets. love eternal, frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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