Guest guest Posted April 15, 2001 Report Share Posted April 15, 2001 namaste. Further to what I wrote in the threads - Discussions with Nanda Chandran, Digest # 932 - let me put a different angle and elaboration to this. All objects such as pots, the Sun, the human body, the mind, the intellect, antahkaraNa are inert, insentient or jaDa. The Consciousness, the only subject, pervades through these objects and gives these objects the sentiency. This insentiency of all objects is nothing different from what is experienced in deep-sleep, suShupti. As we sleep, our ignorance is in seed form and as we wake up, this seed (of ignorance) evolves into a huge tree of the jagat. This is sustained through the wake-up state and then dissolves back again into Consciousness as we sleep. Thus the objectless Consciousness is the only thing there is, all objects evolving out of it. This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep state, is all comprehending and everything evolves out of that seed. Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves out of a tiny seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the whole jagat of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule seed of ignorance which is in a dormant state during deep-sleep and comes "out" as we wake up and get dissolved again as we sleep. I would be grateful for any comments. Regards Gummuluru Murthy -------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2001 Report Share Posted April 15, 2001 OM GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHVARAH GURUH SAKSHAT PARAM BRAHM TASMAI SRI GURVE NAMAH OM NAMAH SIVAYA OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA Blessed Self, This is beautifully explained by Sri Swami Krishnanandaji in his book "The Philosophy of The Panchadasi" Available at: http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/panch/panch_pre.html Pranam OM > > namaste. > > Further to what I wrote in the threads - > Discussions with Nanda Chandran, Digest # 932 - > let me put a different angle and elaboration to this. > > All objects such as pots, the Sun, the human body, > the mind, the intellect, antahkaraNa are inert, > insentient or jaDa. The Consciousness, the only subject, > pervades through these objects and gives these objects > the sentiency. > > This insentiency of all objects is nothing different > from what is experienced in deep-sleep, suShupti. > As we sleep, our ignorance is in seed form and as > we wake up, this seed (of ignorance) evolves into > a huge tree of the jagat. This is sustained through > the wake-up state and then dissolves back again into > Consciousness as we sleep. Thus the objectless Consciousness > is the only thing there is, all objects evolving out of it. > This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep state, is all > comprehending and everything evolves out of that seed. > > Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves out of a tiny > seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the whole jagat > of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule seed of > ignorance which is in a dormant state during deep-sleep > and comes "out" as we wake up and get dissolved again as > we sleep. > > I would be grateful for any comments. > > > Regards > Gummuluru Murthy > ------------------------- ------- > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > For details, visit: /local/news.html > Post message: advaitin > Subscribe: advaitin- > Un: advaitin > URL to Advaitin: advaitin > File folder: advaitin > Link Folder: advaitin/links > Messages Folder: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > ------------ Get FREE E-Mail http://www.valuemail.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2001 Report Share Posted April 15, 2001 Namaste Kartikji What a coincidence? I am presently studying the panchadashi and in chapter 2 Swami Vidyaranyaji handles this point (with the objections from the Buddhists) that the AtmA can never be an object of experience. If it was, then it would be also be another object in jagat, which is mithya. I will try to post the relevant verses from panchadashi when I return home. Regards. Kathi > > kartik [sMTP:kartik] > None > advaitin > Re: objectless Consciousness > > OM > GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHVARAH > GURUH SAKSHAT PARAM BRAHM TASMAI SRI GURVE NAMAH > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA > > Blessed Self, > This is beautifully explained by Sri Swami Krishnanandaji > in his book "The Philosophy of The Panchadasi" > Available at: > <http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/panch/panch_pre.html> > > Pranam > OM > > > > > namaste. > > > > Further to what I wrote in the threads - > > Discussions with Nanda Chandran, Digest # 932 - > > let me put a different angle and elaboration to this. > > > > All objects such as pots, the Sun, the human body, > > the mind, the intellect, antahkaraNa are inert, > > insentient or jaDa. The Consciousness, the only subject, > > pervades through these objects and gives these objects > > the sentiency. > > > > This insentiency of all objects is nothing different > > from what is experienced in deep-sleep, suShupti. > > As we sleep, our ignorance is in seed form and as > > we wake up, this seed (of ignorance) evolves into > > a huge tree of the jagat. This is sustained through > > the wake-up state and then dissolves back again into > > Consciousness as we sleep. Thus the objectless > Consciousness > > is the only thing there is, all objects evolving out of > it. > > This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep state, is all > > comprehending and everything evolves out of that seed. > > > > Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves out of a tiny > > seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the whole jagat > > of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule seed of > > ignorance which is in a dormant state during deep-sleep > > and comes "out" as we wake up and get dissolved again as > > we sleep. > > > > I would be grateful for any comments. > > > > > > Regards > > Gummuluru Murthy > > ------------------------- > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of > nonseparablity of Atman and > Brahman. > > Advaitin List Archives available at: > <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/> > > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > > For details, visit: > </local/news.html> > > Post message: advaitin > > Subscribe: advaitin- > > Un: advaitin > > URL to Advaitin: <advaitin> > > File folder: > <advaitin> > > Link Folder: <advaitin/links> > > Messages Folder: > <advaitin/messages> > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > <> > > > > > > > > > ------------ > Get FREE E-Mail > <http://www.valuemail.net> > > > > > Sponsor > www.newaydirect.com > <http://rd./M=190481.1393724.2979175.2/D=egroupmail/S=1700075991: > N/A=613928/?http://www.newaydirect.com> > À|C > <http://us.adserver./l?M=190481.1393724.2979175.2/D=egroupmail/S= > 1700075991:N/A=613928/rand=569327609> > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/> > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > For details, visit: </local/news.html> > Post message: advaitin > Subscribe: advaitin- > Un: advaitin > URL to Advaitin: <advaitin> > File folder: <advaitin> > Link Folder: <advaitin/links> > Messages Folder: <advaitin/messages> > > > > Terms of Service > <>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2001 Report Share Posted April 16, 2001 Namaste, The complete encoded 'pa~nchadashii' is on-line at URL: http://sanskrit.gde.to/doc_z_misc_major_works/doc_z_misc_major_works.h tml [The link may not work if it is split on two lines. Pl. cut/copy--->paste complete URL in browser address box.] Regards, s. advaitin, K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kkathir@n...> wrote: > Namaste Kartikji > > What a coincidence? I am presently studying the panchadashi and in chapter > 2 Swami Vidyaranyaji handles this point (with the objections from the > Buddhists) that the AtmA can never be an object of experience. If it was, > then it would be also be another object in jagat, which is mithya. I will > try to post the relevant verses from panchadashi when I return home. > Regards. > > Kathi > > > > > kartik@K... [sMTP:kartik@K...] > > None > > advaitin > > Re: objectless Consciousness > > > > OM > > GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHVARAH > > GURUH SAKSHAT PARAM BRAHM TASMAI SRI GURVE NAMAH > > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA > > > > Blessed Self, > > This is beautifully explained by Sri Swami Krishnanandaji > > in his book "The Philosophy of The Panchadasi" > > Available at: > > <http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/panch/panch_pre.html> > > > > Pranam > > OM > > > > > > > > namaste. > > > > > > Further to what I wrote in the threads - > > > Discussions with Nanda Chandran, Digest # 932 - > > > let me put a different angle and elaboration to this. > > > > > > All objects such as pots, the Sun, the human body, > > > the mind, the intellect, antahkaraNa are inert, > > > insentient or jaDa. The Consciousness, the only subject, > > > pervades through these objects and gives these objects > > > the sentiency. > > > > > > This insentiency of all objects is nothing different > > > from what is experienced in deep-sleep, suShupti. > > > As we sleep, our ignorance is in seed form and as > > > we wake up, this seed (of ignorance) evolves into > > > a huge tree of the jagat. This is sustained through > > > the wake-up state and then dissolves back again into > > > Consciousness as we sleep. Thus the objectless > > Consciousness > > > is the only thing there is, all objects evolving out of > > it. > > > This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep state, is all > > > comprehending and everything evolves out of that seed. > > > > > > Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves out of a tiny > > > seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the whole jagat > > > of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule seed of > > > ignorance which is in a dormant state during deep-sleep > > > and comes "out" as we wake up and get dissolved again as > > > we sleep. > > > > > > I would be grateful for any comments. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Gummuluru Murthy > > > ------------------------- > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of > > nonseparablity of Atman and > > Brahman. > > > Advaitin List Archives available at: > > <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/> > > > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > > > For details, visit: > > </local/news.html> > > > Post message: advaitin > > > Subscribe: advaitin- > > > Un: advaitin- > > > URL to Advaitin: <advaitin> > > > File folder: > > <advaitin> > > > Link Folder: <advaitin/links> > > > Messages Folder: > > <advaitin/messages> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > Get FREE E-Mail@Y... > > <http://www.valuemail.net> > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > www.newaydirect.com > > <http://rd./M=190481.1393724.2979175.2/D=egroupmail/S=1700075 991: > > N/A=613928/?http://www.newaydirect.com> > > À|C > > <http://us.adserver./l? M=190481.1393724.2979175.2/D=egroupmail/S= > > 1700075991:N/A=613928/rand=569327609> > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > > Atman and Brahman. > > Advaitin List Archives available at: > > <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/> > > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > > For details, visit: </local/news.html> > > Post message: advaitin > > Subscribe: advaitin- > > Un: advaitin- > > URL to Advaitin: <advaitin> > > File folder: <advaitin> > > Link Folder: <advaitin/links> > > Messages Folder: <advaitin/messages> > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2001 Report Share Posted April 16, 2001 OM GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHVARAH GURUH SAKSHAT PARAM BRAHM TASMAI SRI GURVE NAMAH OM NAMAH SIVAYA OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA Blessed Self, There are no coincidences in conciousness!!! Jai GURUDEV Pranam OM > Namaste Kartikji > > What a coincidence? I am presently studying the panchadashi and in chapter > 2 Swami Vidyaranyaji handles this point (with the objections from the > Buddhists) that the AtmA can never be an object of experience. If it was, > then it would be also be another object in jagat, which is mithya. I will > try to post the relevant verses from panchadashi when I return home. > Regards. > > Kathi > > > > > kartik [sMTP:kartik] > > None > > advaitin > > Re: objectless Consciousness > > > > OM > > GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHVARAH > > GURUH SAKSHAT PARAM BRAHM TASMAI SRI GURVE NAMAH > > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA > > > > Blessed Self, > > This is beautifully explained by Sri Swami Krishnanandaji > > in his book "The Philosophy of The Panchadasi" > > Available at: > > <http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/panch/panch_pre.html> > > > > Pranam > > OM > > > > > > > > namaste. > > > > > > Further to what I wrote in the threads - > > > Discussions with Nanda Chandran, Digest # 932 - > > > let me put a different angle and elaboration to this. > > > > > > All objects such as pots, the Sun, the human body, > > > the mind, the intellect, antahkaraNa are inert, > > > insentient or jaDa. The Consciousness, the only subject, > > > pervades through these objects and gives these objects > > > the sentiency. > > > > > > This insentiency of all objects is nothing different > > > from what is experienced in deep-sleep, suShupti. > > > As we sleep, our ignorance is in seed form and as > > > we wake up, this seed (of ignorance) evolves into > > > a huge tree of the jagat. This is sustained through > > > the wake-up state and then dissolves back again into > > > Consciousness as we sleep. Thus the objectless > > Consciousness > > > is the only thing there is, all objects evolving out of > > it. > > > This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep state, is all > > > comprehending and everything evolves out of that seed. > > > > > > Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves out of a tiny > > > seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the whole jagat > > > of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule seed of > > > ignorance which is in a dormant state during deep-sleep > > > and comes "out" as we wake up and get dissolved again as > > > we sleep. > > > > > > I would be grateful for any comments. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Gummuluru Murthy > > > ------------------------- > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of > > nonseparablity of Atman and > > Brahman. > > > Advaitin List Archives available at: > > <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/> > > > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > > > For details, visit: > > </local/news.html> > > > Post message: advaitin > > > Subscribe: advaitin- > > > Un: advaitin > > > URL to Advaitin: <advaitin> > > > File folder: > > <advaitin> > > > Link Folder: <advaitin/links> > > > Messages Folder: > > <advaitin/messages> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > Get FREE E-Mail > > <http://www.valuemail.net> > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > www.newaydirect.com > > <http://rd./M=190481.1393724.2979175.2/D=egroupmai l/S=1700075991: > > N/A=613928/?http://www.newaydirect.com> > > À|C > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=190481.1393724.2979175.2/ D=egroupmail/S= > > 1700075991:N/A=613928/rand=569327609> > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > > Atman and Brahman. > > Advaitin List Archives available at: > > <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/> > > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > > For details, visit: </local/news.html> > > Post message: advaitin > > Subscribe: advaitin- > > Un: advaitin > > URL to Advaitin: <advaitin> > > File folder: <advaitin> > > Link Folder: <advaitin/links> > > Messages Folder: <advaitin/messages> > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <>. > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server > For details, visit: /local/news.html > Post message: advaitin > Subscribe: advaitin- > Un: advaitin > URL to Advaitin: advaitin > File folder: advaitin > Link Folder: advaitin/links > Messages Folder: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > ------------ Get FREE E-Mail http://www.valuemail.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 namaste. I am grateful to shri Kartik and to shri Kathirasan and to shri sunder for giving references to PancadashI. While perusing through PancadashI, I came across two verses which are quite telling in placing the source of our ajnAna. Although these two verses do not deal with the topic of objectless Consciousness, yet, I like to present them here because they make a significant, yet simple, point. The verses are duura desha.n gate putre jiivaty evaatra tat pitaa . vipralambhaka vaakyena mR^itaM matvaa praroditi .. 4.34 translation: A liar told a man whose son had gone to a far-off country that the boy was dead, although he was still alive. The father believed him and was aggrieved. mR^ite .api tasmin vaartaayaam ashrutaayaa.n na roditi . ataH sarvasya jiivasya bandha kR^in maanasa.n jagat.h .4.35 translation: If, on the other hand, his son had really died abroad but no news had reached him, he would have felt no grief. This shows that the real cause of a man's bondage is his own mental world. Regards Gummuluru Murthy ----------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Shri Gummuluru Murthy wrote: .. Thus the objectless > > > > Consciousness > > > > is the only thing there is, all objects > evolving out of > > > it. > > > > This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep > state, is all > > > > comprehending and everything evolves out of > that seed. > > > > > > > > Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves > out of a tiny > > > > seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the > whole jagat > > > > of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule > seed of > > > > ignorance which is in a dormant state during > deep-sleep > > > > and comes "out" as we wake up and get > dissolved again as > > > > we sleep. > > > > > > > > I would be grateful for any comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Gummuluru Murthy > > > > --------------------- Dear Shri Gummuluru Murthy, Your above observation is very interesting and needs to be ruminated upon further. You have explained the jagat kaaraNam as that 'Ignorance' in seed form while the self is in deep sleep and that all objects evolve from this seed into this jagat while the self is awake and is in its jaagrat avasthaa. Let us for a moment think about this 'Objectless Conciousness' while this self is in deep sleep! Firstly, Can the self think about it while in deep sleep? The answer is 'No'. Because the moment the self starts thinking about it, the self will be in 'IGNORANCE'and in its jaagrat avasthaa. The self,therefore,has to dissociate itself from its Avidyaa state and get into its TRUE SELF state,which ,infact,is 'OBJECTLESS CONCIOUSNESS' In his 'Laghu vakya vritti' Shankaracharya explains in sloka 14 as follows "avikalpaka Chidhyoham Brahmaikam nirvikalpakam, swatassidhaahaa vikalpaaste nirodhavyaahaa prayatnataha" meaning: 'The reflected conciousness though involved in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The apparent modifications,which are self evident(being always associated with the reflected conciousness),are only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this realisation of Brahman may come)'. Hari Om! Swaminarayan Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 advaitin, Swaminarayan T <tvswaminarayan> wrote: > > In his 'Laghu vakya vritti' Shankaracharya explains in > sloka 14 as follows > > "avikalpaka Chidhyoham Brahmaikam nirvikalpakam, > swatassidhaahaa vikalpaaste nirodhavyaahaa > prayatnataha" > meaning: > 'The reflected conciousness though involved > in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is > really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The > apparent modifications,which are self evident(being > always associated with the reflected conciousness),are > only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this > realisation of Brahman may come)'. > > Hari Om! > > Swaminarayan > Does the undifferentiated Brahman also think? ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 colette wrote: > advaitin, Swaminarayan T <tvswaminarayan> wrote: > > > [...] > > 'The reflected conciousness though involved > > in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is > > really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The > > apparent modifications,which are self evident(being > > always associated with the reflected conciousness),are > > only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this > > realisation of Brahman may come)'. > > > > Does the undifferentiated Brahman also think? > > ~*~ > namaste. The following is my understanding. There are no thoughts (nor actions) associated with the undifferentiated Brahman, the Absolute. However, let us step aside and see what this undifferentiated Brahman is. It is you and I, devoid of all the upAdhi-s [dehenriya manaH prANAhamkr^itibhyo vilakshaNaH). Only when upAdhi (the superimposition and the associated mis-apprehension) takes over, then there is thought, action, and the thought of who is the kartA (the doer) of this action or thought. Regards Gummuluru Murthy ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Swaminarayan T wrote: > > Dear Shri Gummuluru Murthy, > > Your above observation is very interesting and needs > to be ruminated upon further. > namaste shri Swaminarayan, Thanks for your comments. My comments on objectless Consciousness need to be taken in full, as presented in the post which you referred, as well as earlier posts in threads: Discussions with Nanda Chandran, and Digest # 932. > You have explained the jagat kaaraNam as that > 'Ignorance' in seed form while the self is in deep > sleep and that all objects evolve from this seed into > this jagat while the self is awake and is in its > jaagrat avasthaa. > I assume you refer what you call self (lower case s) as the subtle part of the jIvA, the embodiment with its mind and intellect and object-consciousness included. Of course, it includes the objectless Consciousness also (it is this which makes the jIvA tick). > Let us for a moment think about this 'Objectless > Conciousness' while this self is in deep sleep! > > Firstly, Can the self think about it while in deep > sleep? > The answer is 'No'. Because the moment the self starts > thinking about it, the self will be in 'IGNORANCE'and > in its jaagrat avasthaa. > > The self,therefore,has to dissociate itself from its > Avidyaa state and get into its TRUE SELF state,which > ,infact,is 'OBJECTLESS CONCIOUSNESS' > > In his 'Laghu vakya vritti' Shankaracharya explains in > sloka 14 as follows > > "avikalpaka Chidhyoham Brahmaikam nirvikalpakam, > swatassidhaahaa vikalpaaste nirodhavyaahaa > prayatnataha" > meaning: > 'The reflected conciousness though involved > in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is > really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The > apparent modifications,which are self evident(being > always associated with the reflected conciousness),are > only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this > realisation of Brahman may come)'. > I am not entirely familiar with that verse of vAkyavr^itti. But I assume shri shankara is speaking about antahkaraNavr^itti, and the necessity for this vr^itti to be absent for brahman realization. > Hari Om! > > Swaminarayan > Regards Gummuluru Murthy -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 In Srimad Bhagawatam Lord Vishnu tells Brahma: Yadaa rahitam atmanaam Bhoota Indriya Gunaasayahai Swaroopena Mayopetam Pasyan Swaraajyamuchhati When you discard in the self the bhootas,Indriyaas,gunaas,asayas,you will see Me in your own self and attain My Kingdom. (The above is relevent in this context but only a crude translation of a profound slokam) Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 colette wrote: > advaitin, Swaminarayan T <tvswaminarayan> wrote: > > > [...] > > 'The reflected conciousness though involved > > in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is > > really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The > > apparent modifications,which are self evident(being > > always associated with the reflected conciousness),are > > only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this > > realisation of Brahman may come)'. > > > > Does the undifferentiated Brahman also think? > > ~*~ > namaste. The following is my understanding. There are no thoughts (nor actions) associated with the undifferentiated Brahman, the Absolute. However, let us step aside and see what this undifferentiated Brahman is. It is you and I, devoid of all the upAdhi-s [dehenriya manaH prANAhamkr^itibhyo vilakshaNaH). Only when upAdhi (the superimposition and the associated mis-apprehension) takes over, then there is thought, action, and the thought of who is the kartA (the doer) of this action or thought. Regards Gummuluru Murthy ------------------------------- Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Please Note the New Changes at the Mail Server For details, visit: /local/news.html Post message: advaitin Subscribe: advaitin- Un: advaitin URL to Advaitin: advaitin File folder: advaitin Link Folder: advaitin/links Messages Folder: advaitin/messages Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2001 Report Share Posted April 20, 2001 advaitin, Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy@m...> wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 colette@b... wrote: > > > advaitin, Swaminarayan T <tvswaminarayan> wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > > 'The reflected conciousness though involved > > > in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is > > > really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The > > > apparent modifications,which are self evident(being > > > always associated with the reflected conciousness),are > > > only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this > > > realisation of Brahman may come)'. > > > > > > > > Does the undifferentiated Brahman also think? > > > > ~*~ > > > > > namaste. > > The following is my understanding. > > There are no thoughts (nor actions) associated with the > undifferentiated Brahman, the Absolute. However, let us > step aside and see what this undifferentiated Brahman is. > It is you and I, devoid of all the upAdhi-s [dehenriya > manaH prANAhamkr^itibhyo vilakshaNaH). Only when upAdhi > (the superimposition and the associated mis-apprehension) > takes over, then there is thought, action, and the thought > of who is the kartA (the doer) of this action or thought. Thanks Gummuluru. I believe undifferentiated Brahman is also differentiated Brahman (so thinks). Col > > Regards > Gummuluru Murthy > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 --- colette wrote: > advaitin, Swaminarayan T > <tvswaminarayan> wrote: > > > > > In his 'Laghu vakya vritti' Shankaracharya > explains in > > sloka 14 as follows > > > > "avikalpaka Chidhyoham Brahmaikam nirvikalpakam, > > swatassidhaahaa vikalpaaste nirodhavyaahaa > > prayatnataha" > > meaning: > > 'The reflected conciousness though involved > > in the modifications of the intellect,that I am > now,is > > really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The > > apparent modifications,which are self > evident(being > > always associated with the reflected > conciousness),are > > only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that > this > > realisation of Brahman may come)'. > > > > Hari Om! > > > > Swaminarayan > > > > Does the undifferentiated Brahman also think? > > ~*~ ---------------> The undifferentiated Brahman is a nomenclature used by us in our Vyavaharika state merely to emphasise the need for us to get into a state of our true self conciousness which,in fact, is the state of the 'undifferentiated Brahman' . The question of this Brahman 'thinking' just does not arise atall since the act of thinking is in the realm of Avidya and in duality whereas, Brahman is 'non dual': 'Advitiya'. Talking of 'Avidya' , a Mumukshu has recorded his thoughts as folloaws: Avidya is not the swarupa of swayam jyoti Brahman. Avidya is but a cover and that also,as long as I am a samsari,I call it a cover,and by the upadesa of Shrotriya Brahma Nishta I begin to think and try to find my own self, I take a touchstone of Swayam Jyoti and test on it, each and every thing that I suppose in ignorance "as my own self". When the tested thing does not pass the test,I throw it off and seek the second for a test. Again testing it and coming to know that it also is not,I throw it off and take a third.By this way I begin to examine all that I see outside as well as inside and alas!I found nothing.I refuted everything and when there was nothing more remaining to refute, I was in a state which I cannot express.after a long time, just as a man wakes up after fast sleep and gets the rememberance of that fast sleep,similrly,if not actually,I,when awoke,began to think about it,. I was neither in jagriti,nor in swapna nor in sushupti and not also in the knowledge of "I am" but now in the jagriti state I can say,"I must have been" and now I feel myself in greater joy than I was before. Really not of any use to this world and whenever,as before I see the things,my behaviour now with those things is not as it was before:quite a changed man. Always satisfied,never gloomy,I do not know what fear means,no difference between living and notliving,even though looking outside still by the inner eye looking inside always,beyond all the jagat vyavahara and thus days are passing one after another. What to do?What to see? and who to see?All the triputi,Karta Karma and Kriya,Gyata Gyeya and Gyana,Dhrishta Dhrishti and Drisyam etc.,become one and He alone which is stated as Bhuma is,who is never born never dies.The body dissappears in its upaadana karana.The Prana slowly dies down and merges in Avidya and Avidya ultimately vanishes."He without cover" remains there and there only. ----------------- HariOm! Swaminrayan Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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