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namaste.

 

Further to what I wrote in the threads -

Discussions with Nanda Chandran, Digest # 932 -

let me put a different angle and elaboration to this.

 

All objects such as pots, the Sun, the human body,

the mind, the intellect, antahkaraNa are inert,

insentient or jaDa. The Consciousness, the only subject,

pervades through these objects and gives these objects

the sentiency.

 

This insentiency of all objects is nothing different

from what is experienced in deep-sleep, suShupti.

As we sleep, our ignorance is in seed form and as

we wake up, this seed (of ignorance) evolves into

a huge tree of the jagat. This is sustained through

the wake-up state and then dissolves back again into

Consciousness as we sleep. Thus the objectless Consciousness

is the only thing there is, all objects evolving out of it.

This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep state, is all

comprehending and everything evolves out of that seed.

 

Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves out of a tiny

seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the whole jagat

of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule seed of

ignorance which is in a dormant state during deep-sleep

and comes "out" as we wake up and get dissolved again as

we sleep.

 

I would be grateful for any comments.

 

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHVARAH

GURUH SAKSHAT PARAM BRAHM TASMAI SRI GURVE NAMAH

OM NAMAH SIVAYA

OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA

 

Blessed Self,

This is beautifully explained by Sri Swami Krishnanandaji

in his book "The Philosophy of The Panchadasi"

Available at:

http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/panch/panch_pre.html

 

Pranam

OM

>

> namaste.

>

> Further to what I wrote in the threads -

> Discussions with Nanda Chandran, Digest # 932 -

> let me put a different angle and elaboration to this.

>

> All objects such as pots, the Sun, the human body,

> the mind, the intellect, antahkaraNa are inert,

> insentient or jaDa. The Consciousness, the only subject,

> pervades through these objects and gives these objects

> the sentiency.

>

> This insentiency of all objects is nothing different

> from what is experienced in deep-sleep, suShupti.

> As we sleep, our ignorance is in seed form and as

> we wake up, this seed (of ignorance) evolves into

> a huge tree of the jagat. This is sustained through

> the wake-up state and then dissolves back again into

> Consciousness as we sleep. Thus the objectless

Consciousness

> is the only thing there is, all objects evolving out of

it.

> This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep state, is all

> comprehending and everything evolves out of that seed.

>

> Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves out of a tiny

> seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the whole jagat

> of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule seed of

> ignorance which is in a dormant state during deep-sleep

> and comes "out" as we wake up and get dissolved again as

> we sleep.

>

> I would be grateful for any comments.

>

>

> Regards

> Gummuluru Murthy

> -------------------------

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Namaste Kartikji

 

What a coincidence? I am presently studying the panchadashi and in chapter

2 Swami Vidyaranyaji handles this point (with the objections from the

Buddhists) that the AtmA can never be an object of experience. If it was,

then it would be also be another object in jagat, which is mithya. I will

try to post the relevant verses from panchadashi when I return home.

Regards.

 

Kathi

>

> kartik [sMTP:kartik]

> None

> advaitin

> Re: objectless Consciousness

>

> OM

> GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHVARAH

> GURUH SAKSHAT PARAM BRAHM TASMAI SRI GURVE NAMAH

> OM NAMAH SIVAYA

> OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA

>

> Blessed Self,

> This is beautifully explained by Sri Swami Krishnanandaji

> in his book "The Philosophy of The Panchadasi"

> Available at:

> <http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/panch/panch_pre.html>

>

> Pranam

> OM

>

> >

> > namaste.

> >

> > Further to what I wrote in the threads -

> > Discussions with Nanda Chandran, Digest # 932 -

> > let me put a different angle and elaboration to this.

> >

> > All objects such as pots, the Sun, the human body,

> > the mind, the intellect, antahkaraNa are inert,

> > insentient or jaDa. The Consciousness, the only subject,

> > pervades through these objects and gives these objects

> > the sentiency.

> >

> > This insentiency of all objects is nothing different

> > from what is experienced in deep-sleep, suShupti.

> > As we sleep, our ignorance is in seed form and as

> > we wake up, this seed (of ignorance) evolves into

> > a huge tree of the jagat. This is sustained through

> > the wake-up state and then dissolves back again into

> > Consciousness as we sleep. Thus the objectless

> Consciousness

> > is the only thing there is, all objects evolving out of

> it.

> > This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep state, is all

> > comprehending and everything evolves out of that seed.

> >

> > Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves out of a tiny

> > seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the whole jagat

> > of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule seed of

> > ignorance which is in a dormant state during deep-sleep

> > and comes "out" as we wake up and get dissolved again as

> > we sleep.

> >

> > I would be grateful for any comments.

> >

> >

> > Regards

> > Gummuluru Murthy

> > -------------------------

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Namaste,

 

The complete encoded 'pa~nchadashii' is on-line at URL:

 

http://sanskrit.gde.to/doc_z_misc_major_works/doc_z_misc_major_works.h

tml

 

 

[The link may not work if it is split on two lines.

Pl. cut/copy--->paste complete URL in browser address box.]

 

Regards,

 

s.

 

 

 

advaitin, K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kkathir@n...> wrote:

> Namaste Kartikji

>

> What a coincidence? I am presently studying the panchadashi and in

chapter

> 2 Swami Vidyaranyaji handles this point (with the objections from

the

> Buddhists) that the AtmA can never be an object of experience. If

it was,

> then it would be also be another object in jagat, which is mithya.

I will

> try to post the relevant verses from panchadashi when I return home.

> Regards.

>

> Kathi

>

> >

> > kartik@K... [sMTP:kartik@K...]

> > None

> > advaitin

> > Re: objectless Consciousness

> >

> > OM

> > GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHVARAH

> > GURUH SAKSHAT PARAM BRAHM TASMAI SRI GURVE NAMAH

> > OM NAMAH SIVAYA

> > OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA

> >

> > Blessed Self,

> > This is beautifully explained by Sri Swami Krishnanandaji

> > in his book "The Philosophy of The Panchadasi"

> > Available at:

> > <http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/panch/panch_pre.html>

> >

> > Pranam

> > OM

> >

> > >

> > > namaste.

> > >

> > > Further to what I wrote in the threads -

> > > Discussions with Nanda Chandran, Digest # 932 -

> > > let me put a different angle and elaboration to this.

> > >

> > > All objects such as pots, the Sun, the human body,

> > > the mind, the intellect, antahkaraNa are inert,

> > > insentient or jaDa. The Consciousness, the only subject,

> > > pervades through these objects and gives these objects

> > > the sentiency.

> > >

> > > This insentiency of all objects is nothing different

> > > from what is experienced in deep-sleep, suShupti.

> > > As we sleep, our ignorance is in seed form and as

> > > we wake up, this seed (of ignorance) evolves into

> > > a huge tree of the jagat. This is sustained through

> > > the wake-up state and then dissolves back again into

> > > Consciousness as we sleep. Thus the objectless

> > Consciousness

> > > is the only thing there is, all objects evolving out of

> > it.

> > > This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep state, is all

> > > comprehending and everything evolves out of that seed.

> > >

> > > Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves out of a tiny

> > > seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the whole jagat

> > > of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule seed of

> > > ignorance which is in a dormant state during deep-sleep

> > > and comes "out" as we wake up and get dissolved again as

> > > we sleep.

> > >

> > > I would be grateful for any comments.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Gummuluru Murthy

> > > -------------------------

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OM NAMAH SIVAYA

OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA

 

Blessed Self,

There are no coincidences in conciousness!!!

Jai GURUDEV

Pranam

OM

> Namaste Kartikji

>

> What a coincidence? I am presently studying the

panchadashi and in chapter

> 2 Swami Vidyaranyaji handles this point (with the

objections from the

> Buddhists) that the AtmA can never be an object of

experience. If it was,

> then it would be also be another object in jagat, which

is mithya. I will

> try to post the relevant verses from panchadashi when I

return home.

> Regards.

>

> Kathi

>

> >

> > kartik [sMTP:kartik]

> > None

> > advaitin

> > Re: objectless Consciousness

> >

> > OM

> > GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHVARAH

> > GURUH SAKSHAT PARAM BRAHM TASMAI SRI GURVE NAMAH

> > OM NAMAH SIVAYA

> > OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA

> >

> > Blessed Self,

> > This is beautifully explained by Sri Swami

Krishnanandaji

> > in his book "The Philosophy of The Panchadasi"

> > Available at:

> >

<http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/panch/panch_pre.html>

> >

> > Pranam

> > OM

> >

> > >

> > > namaste.

> > >

> > > Further to what I wrote in the threads -

> > > Discussions with Nanda Chandran, Digest # 932 -

> > > let me put a different angle and elaboration to this.

> > >

> > > All objects such as pots, the Sun, the human body,

> > > the mind, the intellect, antahkaraNa are inert,

> > > insentient or jaDa. The Consciousness, the only

subject,

> > > pervades through these objects and gives these

objects

> > > the sentiency.

> > >

> > > This insentiency of all objects is nothing different

> > > from what is experienced in deep-sleep, suShupti.

> > > As we sleep, our ignorance is in seed form and as

> > > we wake up, this seed (of ignorance) evolves into

> > > a huge tree of the jagat. This is sustained through

> > > the wake-up state and then dissolves back again into

> > > Consciousness as we sleep. Thus the objectless

> > Consciousness

> > > is the only thing there is, all objects evolving out

of

> > it.

> > > This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep state, is

all

> > > comprehending and everything evolves out of that

seed.

> > >

> > > Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves out of a

tiny

> > > seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the whole

jagat

> > > of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule seed

of

> > > ignorance which is in a dormant state during

deep-sleep

> > > and comes "out" as we wake up and get dissolved again

as

> > > we sleep.

> > >

> > > I would be grateful for any comments.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Gummuluru Murthy

> > >

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namaste.

 

I am grateful to shri Kartik and to shri Kathirasan

and to shri sunder for giving references to PancadashI.

While perusing through PancadashI, I came across two

verses which are quite telling in placing the source

of our ajnAna. Although these two verses do not deal

with the topic of objectless Consciousness, yet, I like

to present them here because they make a significant,

yet simple, point.

 

The verses are

 

duura desha.n gate putre jiivaty evaatra tat pitaa .

vipralambhaka vaakyena mR^itaM matvaa praroditi .. 4.34

 

translation:

 

A liar told a man whose son had gone to a far-off

country that the boy was dead, although he was still

alive. The father believed him and was aggrieved.

 

mR^ite .api tasmin vaartaayaam ashrutaayaa.n na roditi .

ataH sarvasya jiivasya bandha kR^in maanasa.n jagat.h .4.35

 

translation:

 

If, on the other hand, his son had really died abroad

but no news had reached him, he would have felt no grief.

This shows that the real cause of a man's bondage is his

own mental world.

 

 

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Shri Gummuluru Murthy wrote:

.. Thus the objectless

>

> > > Consciousness

> > > > is the only thing there is, all objects

> evolving out of

> > > it.

> > > > This ignorance, in seed form in deep-sleep

> state, is all

> > > > comprehending and everything evolves out of

> that seed.

> > > >

> > > > Just like we marvel how a huge tree evolves

> out of a tiny

> > > > seed, so also, we marvel how this tree of the

> whole jagat

> > > > of objects evolves out of that tiny, miniscule

> seed of

> > > > ignorance which is in a dormant state during

> deep-sleep

> > > > and comes "out" as we wake up and get

> dissolved again as

> > > > we sleep.

> > > >

> > > > I would be grateful for any comments.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Gummuluru Murthy

> > > >

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Dear Shri Gummuluru Murthy,

 

Your above observation is very interesting and needs

to be ruminated upon further.

 

You have explained the jagat kaaraNam as that

'Ignorance' in seed form while the self is in deep

sleep and that all objects evolve from this seed into

this jagat while the self is awake and is in its

jaagrat avasthaa.

 

Let us for a moment think about this 'Objectless

Conciousness' while this self is in deep sleep!

 

Firstly, Can the self think about it while in deep

sleep?

The answer is 'No'. Because the moment the self starts

thinking about it, the self will be in 'IGNORANCE'and

in its jaagrat avasthaa.

 

The self,therefore,has to dissociate itself from its

Avidyaa state and get into its TRUE SELF state,which

,infact,is 'OBJECTLESS CONCIOUSNESS'

 

In his 'Laghu vakya vritti' Shankaracharya explains in

sloka 14 as follows

 

"avikalpaka Chidhyoham Brahmaikam nirvikalpakam,

swatassidhaahaa vikalpaaste nirodhavyaahaa

prayatnataha"

meaning:

'The reflected conciousness though involved

in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is

really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The

apparent modifications,which are self evident(being

always associated with the reflected conciousness),are

only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this

realisation of Brahman may come)'.

 

Hari Om!

 

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advaitin, Swaminarayan T <tvswaminarayan> wrote:

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> In his 'Laghu vakya vritti' Shankaracharya explains in

> sloka 14 as follows

>

> "avikalpaka Chidhyoham Brahmaikam nirvikalpakam,

> swatassidhaahaa vikalpaaste nirodhavyaahaa

> prayatnataha"

> meaning:

> 'The reflected conciousness though involved

> in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is

> really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The

> apparent modifications,which are self evident(being

> always associated with the reflected conciousness),are

> only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this

> realisation of Brahman may come)'.

>

> Hari Om!

>

> Swaminarayan

>

 

Does the undifferentiated Brahman also think?

 

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 colette wrote:

> advaitin, Swaminarayan T <tvswaminarayan> wrote:

>

> > [...]

> > 'The reflected conciousness though involved

> > in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is

> > really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The

> > apparent modifications,which are self evident(being

> > always associated with the reflected conciousness),are

> > only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this

> > realisation of Brahman may come)'.

> >

>

> Does the undifferentiated Brahman also think?

>

> ~*~

>

 

 

namaste.

 

The following is my understanding.

 

There are no thoughts (nor actions) associated with the

undifferentiated Brahman, the Absolute. However, let us

step aside and see what this undifferentiated Brahman is.

It is you and I, devoid of all the upAdhi-s [dehenriya

manaH prANAhamkr^itibhyo vilakshaNaH). Only when upAdhi

(the superimposition and the associated mis-apprehension)

takes over, then there is thought, action, and the thought

of who is the kartA (the doer) of this action or thought.

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Swaminarayan T wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Gummuluru Murthy,

>

> Your above observation is very interesting and needs

> to be ruminated upon further.

>

 

namaste shri Swaminarayan,

 

Thanks for your comments. My comments on objectless

Consciousness need to be taken in full, as presented in

the post which you referred, as well as earlier posts in

threads: Discussions with Nanda Chandran, and Digest # 932.

 

> You have explained the jagat kaaraNam as that

> 'Ignorance' in seed form while the self is in deep

> sleep and that all objects evolve from this seed into

> this jagat while the self is awake and is in its

> jaagrat avasthaa.

>

 

I assume you refer what you call self (lower case s)

as the subtle part of the jIvA, the embodiment with its

mind and intellect and object-consciousness included.

Of course, it includes the objectless Consciousness

also (it is this which makes the jIvA tick).

> Let us for a moment think about this 'Objectless

> Conciousness' while this self is in deep sleep!

>

> Firstly, Can the self think about it while in deep

> sleep?

> The answer is 'No'. Because the moment the self starts

> thinking about it, the self will be in 'IGNORANCE'and

> in its jaagrat avasthaa.

>

> The self,therefore,has to dissociate itself from its

> Avidyaa state and get into its TRUE SELF state,which

> ,infact,is 'OBJECTLESS CONCIOUSNESS'

>

> In his 'Laghu vakya vritti' Shankaracharya explains in

> sloka 14 as follows

>

> "avikalpaka Chidhyoham Brahmaikam nirvikalpakam,

> swatassidhaahaa vikalpaaste nirodhavyaahaa

> prayatnataha"

> meaning:

> 'The reflected conciousness though involved

> in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is

> really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The

> apparent modifications,which are self evident(being

> always associated with the reflected conciousness),are

> only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this

> realisation of Brahman may come)'.

>

 

I am not entirely familiar with that verse of vAkyavr^itti.

But I assume shri shankara is speaking about antahkaraNavr^itti,

and the necessity for this vr^itti to be absent for brahman

realization.

> Hari Om!

>

> Swaminarayan

>

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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In Srimad Bhagawatam Lord Vishnu tells Brahma:

 

Yadaa rahitam atmanaam Bhoota Indriya Gunaasayahai

 

Swaroopena Mayopetam Pasyan Swaraajyamuchhati

 

 

When you discard in the self the bhootas,Indriyaas,gunaas,asayas,you will see Me

in your own self and attain My Kingdom.

(The above is relevent in this context but only a crude translation of a

profound slokam)

 

Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy wrote:

 

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 colette wrote:

> advaitin, Swaminarayan T <tvswaminarayan> wrote:

>

> > [...]

> > 'The reflected conciousness though involved

> > in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is

> > really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The

> > apparent modifications,which are self evident(being

> > always associated with the reflected conciousness),are

> > only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this

> > realisation of Brahman may come)'.

> >

>

> Does the undifferentiated Brahman also think?

>

> ~*~

>

 

 

namaste.

 

The following is my understanding.

 

There are no thoughts (nor actions) associated with the

undifferentiated Brahman, the Absolute. However, let us

step aside and see what this undifferentiated Brahman is.

It is you and I, devoid of all the upAdhi-s [dehenriya

manaH prANAhamkr^itibhyo vilakshaNaH). Only when upAdhi

(the superimposition and the associated mis-apprehension)

takes over, then there is thought, action, and the thought

of who is the kartA (the doer) of this action or thought.

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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advaitin, Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy@m...> wrote:

>

> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 colette@b... wrote:

>

> > advaitin, Swaminarayan T <tvswaminarayan> wrote:

> >

> > > [...]

>

> > > 'The reflected conciousness though involved

> > > in the modifications of the intellect,that I am now,is

> > > really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The

> > > apparent modifications,which are self evident(being

> > > always associated with the reflected conciousness),are

> > > only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that this

> > > realisation of Brahman may come)'.

> > >

>

> >

> > Does the undifferentiated Brahman also think?

> >

> > ~*~

> >

>

>

> namaste.

>

> The following is my understanding.

>

> There are no thoughts (nor actions) associated with the

> undifferentiated Brahman, the Absolute. However, let us

> step aside and see what this undifferentiated Brahman is.

> It is you and I, devoid of all the upAdhi-s [dehenriya

> manaH prANAhamkr^itibhyo vilakshaNaH). Only when upAdhi

> (the superimposition and the associated mis-apprehension)

> takes over, then there is thought, action, and the thought

> of who is the kartA (the doer) of this action or thought.

 

Thanks Gummuluru. I believe undifferentiated Brahman is also

differentiated Brahman (so thinks).

 

Col

>

> Regards

> Gummuluru Murthy

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--- colette wrote:

> advaitin, Swaminarayan T

> <tvswaminarayan> wrote:

>

> >

> > In his 'Laghu vakya vritti' Shankaracharya

> explains in

> > sloka 14 as follows

> >

> > "avikalpaka Chidhyoham Brahmaikam nirvikalpakam,

> > swatassidhaahaa vikalpaaste nirodhavyaahaa

> > prayatnataha"

> > meaning:

> > 'The reflected conciousness though involved

> > in the modifications of the intellect,that I am

> now,is

> > really one with the undifferentiated Brahman.The

> > apparent modifications,which are self

> evident(being

> > always associated with the reflected

> conciousness),are

> > only to be suppressed byall efforts(In order that

> this

> > realisation of Brahman may come)'.

> >

> > Hari Om!

> >

> > Swaminarayan

> >

>

> Does the undifferentiated Brahman also think?

>

> ~*~

--------------->

The undifferentiated Brahman is a nomenclature used by

us in our Vyavaharika state merely to emphasise the

need for us to get into a state of our true self

conciousness which,in fact, is the state of the

'undifferentiated Brahman' . The question of this

Brahman 'thinking' just does not arise atall since the

act of thinking is in the realm of Avidya and in

duality whereas, Brahman is 'non dual': 'Advitiya'.

 

Talking of 'Avidya' , a Mumukshu has recorded his

thoughts as folloaws:

Avidya is not the swarupa of swayam jyoti Brahman.

Avidya is but a cover and that also,as long as I am a

samsari,I call it a cover,and by the upadesa of

Shrotriya Brahma Nishta I begin to think and try to

find my own self, I take a touchstone of Swayam Jyoti

and test on it, each and every thing that I suppose in

ignorance "as my own self". When the tested thing does

not pass the test,I throw it off and seek the second

for a test. Again testing it and coming to know that

it also is not,I throw it off and take a third.By this

way I begin to examine all that I see outside as well

as inside and alas!I found nothing.I refuted

everything and when there was nothing more remaining

to refute, I was in a state which I cannot

express.after a long time, just as a man wakes up

after fast sleep and gets the rememberance of that

fast sleep,similrly,if not actually,I,when awoke,began

to think about it,. I was neither in jagriti,nor in

swapna nor in sushupti and not also in the knowledge

of "I am" but now in the jagriti state I can say,"I

must have been" and now I feel myself in greater joy

than I was before. Really not of any use to this world

and whenever,as before I see the things,my behaviour

now with those things is not as it was before:quite a

changed man. Always satisfied,never gloomy,I do not

know what fear means,no difference between living and

notliving,even though looking outside still by the

inner eye looking inside always,beyond all the jagat

vyavahara and thus days are passing one after another.

What to do?What to see? and who to see?All the

triputi,Karta Karma and Kriya,Gyata Gyeya and

Gyana,Dhrishta Dhrishti and Drisyam etc.,become one

and He alone which is stated as Bhuma is,who is never

born never dies.The body dissappears in its upaadana

karana.The Prana slowly dies down and merges in

Avidya and Avidya ultimately vanishes."He without

cover" remains there and there only.

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HariOm!

 

Swaminrayan

 

 

 

 

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