Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 A NET of JEWELS daily meditations for seekers of Truth RAMESH S. BALSEKAR April 19 The guru who helps you escape from sorrow by prescribing procedures and methods is not an enlightened guru. A true sage requires that you face your sorrow so thoroughly and intimately that it disappears in the very understanding of itself. The ordinary way of seeing is totally inadequate. A very special kind of seeing is needed for comprehending Reality, an intuitive seeing wherein it is seen that there is nothing to be seen and no one to see it. ______________ The ordinary way of seeing is perfectly adequate. Is it not in ignorance only one makes distinctions between "special kind of seeing" and other ways of "intuitive seeing". Without true understanding everything is made to look complicated. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 this is really interesting because it touches on the four noble truths of Buddhism... Charlotte Joko Beck (a Zen Guru?)... discusses these four noble truths... 1. Caught in a Self-Centered Dream... only suffering 2. Holding on to Self Centered Thoughts... exactly the dream 3. Life as it is, the only Teacher (Guru?) 4. Being just this moment... compassion's way. so, to me whatever can give relief from the "Self Centered Fairy Tale" eases suffering.... but she doesn't teach concentration in order to address this, but rather to observe what you are thinking or doing that causes the suffering... so you will eventually stop doing it... or get bored with it and it will fall away.... so, you compassionately sit with your hurt... your own life experience is the teacher... all the stuff goes down into the ocean of consciousness when you meditate, but it is not avoiding your stuff... it is seeing it and labeling it until you get sick of labeling it and seeing your self centered drama and drop it.... but she teaches a lovely procedure... it is called meditation... you watch your breath or listen to environmental sounds, and when something comes in "bing" a thought, you label it and return to listening to the environmental sounds..... nevertheless, the one who eventually drops the delusion is the true Guru or the self.... My Guru, Gurumayi tells a story of a lady who after meditation said... I got it! I am She! Gurumayi said, "good".. then the lady said.... you always say, "I am He"... but I got "I am She" is it ok? Gurumayi said that if it were truly OK, she wouldn't have to ask, if the lady had truly received the Grace from the Master, she would'nt have to ask the Guru any questions... Is it OK? what kind of conviction is that? The true Guru is the Self... in Jnaneswhar's Amritanubhav, an interesting quote is: Although the Guru and disciple appear to be two, It is the Guru alone who masquerades as both. If a person awakes in a solitary place When no one else is about, Then one may be sure he is both The awakened and the awakener. so.... Self-Realization is just That.... I agree that Ramesh's quote is sort of difficult to Grok... I have certainly benefitted and had suffering removed by following practices given by Teachers.... The Guru who bestows grace though is your Self.... but who is to say my teacher is not enlightened? I didn't get much from his book consciousness speaks either... To get to the point that you aren't the doer... when he darn well knows we are all doing practices and even his Guru had taken a practice of holding to the sense of "I AM"... Was Nisargadatta not the true Guru? special kind of seeing.... do da do da bing! unless it is wellduh... realizing... he sort of spooks it out.... those "special seeing" people are not garden variety? the special seeing is seen even by alcoholics... in the AA preamble.... There is One who has All Power, may you find Him Now.... so the special seeing is that God is One, there is no other..... and this is also the teaching of all enlightened Guru's Paul advaitin, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: > A NET of JEWELS > daily meditations for seekers of Truth > RAMESH S. BALSEKAR > > April 19 > > The guru who helps you escape from sorrow by prescribing procedures and > methods is not an enlightened guru. A true sage requires that you face your > sorrow so thoroughly and intimately that it disappears in the very > understanding of itself. > > The ordinary way of seeing is totally inadequate. A very special kind of > seeing is needed for comprehending Reality, an intuitive seeing wherein it > is seen that there is nothing to be seen and no one to see it. > ______________ > The ordinary way of seeing is perfectly adequate. Is it not in ignorance > only one makes distinctions between "special kind of seeing" and other ways > of "intuitive seeing". > > Without true understanding everything is made to look complicated. > > Love to all > Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 I am enjoying this exchange. Thankyou Harsha & Paul. I have read a little Joko Beck she seems lovely. I guess I differentiate between self centered (ego centered), & Self centered (ego tamed by & in service to the Self). Col advaitin, "Paul J. Cote" <pjcote@l...> wrote: > this is really interesting because it touches on the four noble > truths of Buddhism... > > Charlotte Joko Beck (a Zen Guru?)... discusses these four noble > truths... > > 1. Caught in a Self-Centered Dream... only suffering > 2. Holding on to Self Centered Thoughts... exactly the dream > 3. Life as it is, the only Teacher (Guru?) > 4. Being just this moment... compassion's way. > > > ______________ > > The ordinary way of seeing is perfectly adequate. Is it not in > ignorance > > only one makes distinctions between "special kind of seeing" and > other ways > > of "intuitive seeing". > > > > Without true understanding everything is made to look complicated. > > > > Love to all > > Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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